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hello everyone its Martin Willis on the

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everything else show and yes I've been

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on hiatus I was in Russia and it was

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just too much for me to do my other show

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Plus this show over there and Nic along

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with the other guests I had lined up

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were good enough to reschedule with me

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so our guest Nick Redfern very

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interesting author he's authored I think

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around 18 books something like that on

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all different types of subjects we're

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going to be talking tonight about

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basically the paranormal side of

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cryptozoology I always have a hard time

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with that word and we're also gonna be

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talking about his book on Roswell

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which Roswell conspiracy it's an

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alternative theory - what happened with

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Roswell and I'm gonna try to punch some

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holes in that I've heard have not read

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the book but I have heard Nick on a few

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different shows including the one I do

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with Alejandro Rojas open minds and the

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one I do the news on I should say so I

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have heard him on that and I have some

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questions to ask him he may have already

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been asked these questions by someone

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else cuz he's done probably about 30

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interviews about that book so like I

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said we're gonna get to that in the

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second half of the show the first half

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we're gonna be talking mostly about

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cryptozoology I'll get that word down

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sooner or later Nick how are you good

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it's always a pleasure speaking to you

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and all the interesting topics you

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explore can you tell the listener that

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some of that may possibly be hearing you

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for the first time I doubt it but you

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never know could you explain your

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basically your background and I know you

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live in Texas you came over from England

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number of years ago but basically how

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you got into these interesting topics to

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begin with well yeah sure when I was

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probably cryptozoology who's my sort of

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favorite thing to investigate and you

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know go on expeditions and research and

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write about and that

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interest really goes back to when I was

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about six years old and my parents took

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me on a week's holiday to Scotland and

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while we're up there we spent a day at

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Loch Ness and my dad told me the story

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of a Loch Ness monster and you know when

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you're sort of that whole better hate I

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should say sort of six you know sort of

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an exciting cool creepy story no kind of

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a bogeyman under the bed sort of thing

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and but he got me sort of interested in

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the subject you know of course I wasn't

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doing research or anything like that

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obviously but when I got to about 11 or

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12 you know I had never forgotten that

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trip to Loch Ness and I started reading

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books by people like Frank Edwards and

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Brad stager and John Cale some of the

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people who you know were writing books

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that's that I found interesting you know

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and there is a interest in writing

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styles particularly people like kale and

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when I finished school I wasn't the best

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student of school to put it

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diplomatically and walked out one day I

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never went back and that's sort of like

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the short story and you know I know no

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college no universitaire just you know

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it's no good if any other just walked

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out and I'm the finger and gone you know

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and I didn't know what I was going to do

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and he just so happened that I got a job

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offer at the Blue working on a magazine

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that had started up in the area I was

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living at the time the magazine was

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called zero and it was sort of like an

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entertainment celebrity gossip magazine

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for for young people and and I got on

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board with that for a couple of years

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and and I still do a lot of sort of

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mainstream journalism today but it kind

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of got me interested in you know sort of

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pursuing writing as a career but outside

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of the 0 magazine and and that's what I

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started to do was sort of try and you

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know take an investigative approach to

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these things but you know be you're

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dealing with something kind of weird and

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that sort of I've been writing books for

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years now on various subjects Bigfoot

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chupacabra Loch Ness monster UFOs

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celebrity cover-ups and you know

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whatever comes along you know speaking

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of the Loch Ness when I was young the

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Loch Ness monster

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I really had a fascination with that I

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think I've watched something on TV back

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when you know there was like four

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channels on TV and I was like totally

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hooked I wanted to know more about it

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and I started talking to my friends

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about it and but you actually got to

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visit Loch Ness so when you wrote your

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book on the Loch Ness monster did you

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revisit the area or did you try to speak

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to anyone that claimed they saw had a

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sighting of it yeah I mean I mean I've

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been to a lot less many times so it

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wasn't like you know I wrote a book sort

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of you know decades after I first went

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to Loch Ness and just reliance on that

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now I've been there quite a few times

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now and and spoken to some of the you

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know the eyewitnesses to certain events

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and sightings etc and you know it's sort

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of fascinating mystery which is kind of

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sort of expounded upon by the fact that

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Loch Ness is kind of a weird spooky

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looking place you know it's this sort of

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22 mile long lake and and luck for

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people who don't know Loch is just a

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Scottish word for Lake it doesn't mean

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anything other and like 22 miles long

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and round about a mile wide at its

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widest about 700 feet deep and the back

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waters very dark and you know you have

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these huge sloping hills surrounding it

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and crumbling old ruined castles so you

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know has this has a spooky vibe to it

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regardless of the story the Loch Ness

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monster you know there is a there is

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talk about the original a great photo

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that you see in all the books and you

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know magazines and everything that that

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was hoax so has that it to your

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knowledge has that ever been uncovered

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to be a hoax or is it just one of those

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rumors that started well it's kind of a

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story because there are people who claim

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to know that it was a hoax but other

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researchers think that the Hulk story

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itself is a hoax so it's difficult to

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say now if you look at the photograph if

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you see just the close-up you see this

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head coming out of the ward it's like

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the most sort of iconic Loch Ness

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monster picture but if you look at the

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original witch because you know most

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people have only seen this sort of

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clothes or cropped picture but if you

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look at the original it actually looks

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like the head is in a significantly far

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away from the shore now be the Hulk

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story is reliant on what we're told

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namely that the head was fixed to a toy

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submarine we'd like a plastic propeller

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on and released into the lock and they

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quickly took pictures of it but you know

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lot Loch Ness the water is very very

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choppy you know I mean it's it's a huge

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body and water you know as crashing

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waves so if this really was a submarine

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at a substantial distance a toy

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submarine a substantial distance from

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the shore you would expect it to be

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rocked around and you know sunk in

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seconds but we're told that isn't what

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happened that you know they filmed it

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moving along etcetera so they get

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different picture angles and so on so

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an issue with is the if you look at the

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original picture the original large

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picture rather than the cropped one I

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find it a little bit hard to believe

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that they would have been able to get

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some really good static imagery of the

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neck you know with the waves churning

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and everything else going why do you

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suppose off the bat why do you suppose

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cryptids say chupacabra Bigfoot all

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these things UFOs are so evasive and so

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hard to actually get hard evidence on I

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mean there's we don't we have everything

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well I think because a lot of these

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so-called cryptid creatures in from in

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they're flesh-and-blood animals at least

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not in the way we understand the term if

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they were I think you know we would have

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physical evidence but it's a certain

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types of creatures that we never catch

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which never get killed

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we never get hit by trucks or cars then

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we get shot the bodies are never found

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and that typically relates to things

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like lake monster's sea serpents flying

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anomalies like Mothman eight-man type

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creatures like Bigfoot's and the Yeti

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and you know you put all those together

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and by now we should have at least have

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had one body or one living example you

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know the the so-called cryptid creatures

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have one thing in common

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that all other animals don't have and

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that is that they're 100% elusive 100%

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of the time and you know it's kind of

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like if Bigfoot is just a North American

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equivalent of say an African gorilla we

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should have just one you know we're not

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talking about creatures the size of rats

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you know so we're talking about what

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we're told a sort of 7 to 8 foot tall

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Hey ate like animals roaming all around

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the United States thousands and reports

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and we still can't catch one you know

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and you know but but then the people who

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take the flesh-and-blood angle would say

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well most people never see a mountain

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lion or a bear in the world which is

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true but people do see them and people

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do eat them in with their vehicles and

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they do get put in zoos and

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unfortunately sometimes they get you

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know they had to get put on somebody's

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wall you know who thinks it's clever

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just to do that but that never happens

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with the cryptic creatures so and when

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you look at a lot of the weirdness that

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surrounds a lot of these so-called

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animals for me at Lacy takes us far and

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beyond them being normal animals I fully

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believe in the existence of these things

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I just don't believe they're

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flesh-and-blood animals in

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weh-weh or a lot of people think right

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right I'm trying to remember the woman's

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name I've actually had conversations

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with her on the phone that did the DNA

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research on Bigfoot doctor do you know

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who I mean that's it so I've had

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conversations with Melba and she told me

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that she's actually walked up to some

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sleeping and has actually seen these in

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person I I don't know and I guess there

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is some film of it I get suspicious I

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think she's you know I think she

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believes she saw it because I don't

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believe her to be someone that would you

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know lie about something but that just

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it it fascinates me that she's actually

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saying that she's actually has you know

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walked up to them and actually peered

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through the bushes and saw them now

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someone may have been hoaxing her the

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person that brought her in there you

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know that's very possible

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that's something like that happened but

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you just don't really hear of a

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situation like you're saying they're

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they're elusive 100% of the time there's

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no skeletons found there's no dents

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found or any place that they could be

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hiding that you'd find them down inside

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and they would have to be absolutely

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brilliant to evade us if that's what

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they are doing and that would go for all

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of them all the cryptids well yeah I

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mean I think they are evading because I

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don't believe they're just a myth or you

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know folklore or anything or legend

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I do believe they're real but to elude

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us the way they do and to the extent

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that they do there's got to be something

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more going on because even in the you

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know the depths of Africa you know we

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were able to prove that gorillas exist

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even you know the depths of South

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America in the jungles you know be able

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to prove that small animals that hadn't

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been seen before you know different

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types of rats and shrew and things like

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that had not been seen before but we

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can't prove that an eight-foot-tall ate

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existing nor

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America you know when you think of it

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like that it's just absurd and when you

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also sort of tie this in with reports

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where people claim to have seen these

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creatures sort of vanishing a flash of

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light or what here one second gone the

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next

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there are the reports where people have

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seen Bigfoot in the woods and it's sort

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of surrounded by these sort of like

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weird little flickering energy balls of

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light which you know again should not be

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seen around any kind of regular living

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animal so so what they actually are you

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know I don't know but what I can say for

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sure is that I don't believe that they

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are just regular animals IV said the

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equivalents of something that you would

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find in Africa or South America but what

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I've never really understood is why you

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know so many people in the Bigfoot

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community a hostile against that theory

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I mean for me whether they're flesh and

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blood or supernatural in some way

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whichever the answer is it would still

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be an amazing discovery I don't get it

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why there's so much of a need for them

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to be flesh and blood I don't go there

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is a there is infighting when it comes

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to everything related to fight it in

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every aspect of the parasol you know but

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that's that's just how it is but I mean

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I don't bother me and I enjoy good vibes

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another thing about that is my friend

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Paul you know um you probably know Paul

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do you know who he is yeah he has a

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theory that there's you know basically

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that it has to do with another dimension

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and that everything does you know UFOs

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ghosts and that's kind of his theory

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he's written a book on it it's

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interesting and it could make some sense

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but it it's again these are all theories

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and speculation really yeah I mean that

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the interdimensional one is an

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interesting concept the idea that these

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things are so elusive because they sort

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of flit in and out of our reality and

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you know that they literally are here

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one second and gone the next which if

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true that would you

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help explain why they're so elusive

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because for the most part when we're

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looking for them they're not even in our

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reality now of course that that is

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requires us to you know be able to say

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for sure that there are multiple

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dimensions now things like quantum

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physics are allowing for the existence

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of multiple dimensions but you know even

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I have to admit a lot of any sort of

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theoretical but that doesn't mean it's

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not real but I you know if you if

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someone's put me on the you know

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understand and say what is your best

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estimate of what Big Foot is I would say

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something that kind of is like you know

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Flitz in and out of our reality but I'll

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be the first to admit I don't you know

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have any particular answers for anyone

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when it comes to explaining the full

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aspects of the science behind it but

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when you get a lot of these reports of

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these creatures vanishing in the flusher

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light or just one second they're there

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and then next thing they're gone and the

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witnesses come across as the credit was

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just as credible as anybody who's just

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seen you know a Bigfoot society without

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any weirdness they come across just as

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credible so I think I always tell people

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that the most important people in the

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paranormal world are the witnesses

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because without the witnesses we've got

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nothing to go on and I think for Bigfoot

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researchers to be selective and filter

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out the ones that they don't like and

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they say is problematic well that's as

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bad as being a debunking you know are

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there any situations that you're aware

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of where people actually say they have

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some type of physical contact with any

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of these beings well yeah primarily it

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does relate to things like Bigfoot and

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similar creatures I mean you don't see

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people sort of regularly feeding Nessie

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no but you do get reports of people who

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claim to have had sort of almost like

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friendships you know with the Bigfoot

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creatures and some of the some of the

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stories just really like craziness but

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others seem a little bit more kind of

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plausible but I mean you know most

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people who claims have seen Bigfoot have

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seen them it's fairly close range

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weather

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sort of you know there's a sort of an

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exchange of words or anything like that

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or they're just the creatures just

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quickly run out the way but you know the

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most people who report sightings do get

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a good enough picture of what they're

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looking at to say that they saw

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something that looked sort of vaguely

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human and vaguely ape-like at the same

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time so you know we're not talking for

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the most part about sightings from half

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a mile away which could be you know a

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guy in a dark jacket or whatever you

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know we are talking about cases which do

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seem to reflect you know what Bigfoot

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traditionally is said to look like and

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again again I've spoken to a lot of

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people who you know they were talking

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about anything else

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of a normal situation you would have no

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reason to suggest they were lying and

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they don't really come across lies you

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know when they're talking about their

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Bigfoot in cats right right if you're

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watching live on YouTube you can jump

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into chat if you have any questions for

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Nick I can convey them to them so

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another thing about Bigfoot you hear a

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lot of people say there's on the

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sightings that there's a really bad odor

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which is another curious thing because

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it's pretty consistent when you hear

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about people that have big current

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sightings well yeah there's very often

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like a like a rotten eggs type smell and

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but what's interesting that that's sort

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of the bad egg sort of sulfur type odor

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turns up in a lot of paranormal activity

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as well

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there are many UFO cases where people

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have said that the the UFO gave off this

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kind of you know sort of strong sulfur

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brimstone type odor you find it in a lot

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of men in black encounters the strange

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is that most and you know when they took

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I mean people think of the men in black

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they think Will Smith in some Hugh Jones

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you know but that's just a movie version

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I mean most of the witnesses are

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describing cancers with a man in black

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they actually you know they don't sound

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like regular pay

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and there a lot of cases with the MIB

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where there's been this older of again

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like like sulfur brimstone so again you

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know you find parallels across the board

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we've you know the elusiveness of these

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entities whether it's UFO related or

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[\h__\h] seeds and you have the odors as

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well which kind of goes down the path

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that john cale promoted the idea that

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all of these things are somehow

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interconnected even if we think they're

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sort of separate random mysteries he

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took the view that you know they're all

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part of one bigger thing even if we're

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not sure what that bigger thing relays

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can you go through a list of some of the

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cryptids that people are claiming they

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see well yeah I mean obviously you've

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got the famous ones like the Loch Ness

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monster like Bigfoot's not as much today

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but certainly in previous years like the

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Chupacabra sightings particularly from

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Puerto Rico the we still get occasional

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reports of the Yeti from the Himalayas

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Tibet not certainly not as many as they

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used to be but in the last few years

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there's been a few more research

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investigations into the Chinese

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equivalents of Bigfoot which is known as

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the yerin which you know in the in the

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case of some of these other ones like

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the orang pendeks of Sumatra and the B

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Aaron of China there is actually a

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possibility despite what we said we're

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being for they could actually be

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flesh-and-blood animals at least some of

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them in fact I think B orang pendeks

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which is this sort of small just give me

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eight like animal about four to five

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feet or which walks upright like us I

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actually think that he's a real

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flesh-and-blood type of ape this science

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hasn't classified yet I don't think that

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one is paranormal but for Bigfoot in the

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US with all the weirdness going on

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around it I think that's a different

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category but I mean he tends to be the

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most famous ones that people gravitate

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to you know it's like with Loch Ness

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people go there all the time hope

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to say something and you know they think

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they're going to turn up at Loch Ness

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you know and they're gonna say this

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longneck Russians have the wards but the

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reality is we only get sort of four or

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five good quality sight in the year that

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kind of suggests that if any reason if

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if their flesh and blood then clearly

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they're not something like what they

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Scottish tip tourist board would daily

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love them to be which is you know

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Plescia sores that they're not

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Plesiosaurus impossible so they're

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either there are some indications they

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could be paranormal if not there's some

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sort of animal I think that science

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again hasn't fully classic yeah I mean

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you look at the water you know I think

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the earth is I forget exactly how much

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water the earth is seventy percent or

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something like that it's really high oh

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yeah yeah most of the planets actually

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ease water no and and some of like for

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instance in the ocean the depths are

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just amazing I think that it is very

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possible that there are some things out

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there that we just have not ever seen

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and they they don't always have to be

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small you know to be elusive now back in

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1832 I was just looking was the first

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mention of what I used to hear as a kid

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growing up the abominable snowman but

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that was the Yeti and in the Himalaya

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and Himalayas 1832 so have you done any

539
00:24:02,749 --> 00:24:01,109
research to other cryptids that people

540
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:02,759
had been talking about throughout the

541
00:24:11,409 --> 00:24:07,919
ages oh yeah a lot of expeditions to

542
00:24:14,209 --> 00:24:11,419
Puerto Rico and Mexico looking for the

543
00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:14,219
chupacabra now people talk about the

544
00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:16,169
chupacabra today in the first images

545
00:24:19,999 --> 00:24:18,179
like some of these photographs people

546
00:24:22,819 --> 00:24:20,009
have taken of sort of hairless doglike

547
00:24:25,129 --> 00:24:22,829
animals but that's not the original

548
00:24:27,349 --> 00:24:25,139
chupacabra the original reports that

549
00:24:30,949 --> 00:24:27,359
came out of Puerto Rico in which began

550
00:24:33,589 --> 00:24:30,959
in 1995 described a creature that kind

551
00:24:36,589 --> 00:24:33,599
of looked like and ran like a chimpanzee

552
00:24:38,899 --> 00:24:36,599
but completely hairless and it

553
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:38,909
reportedly had these sort of powerful

554
00:24:44,659 --> 00:24:42,329
claws and these bright red eyes and kind

555
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:44,669
of like a row of spikes down its head

556
00:24:49,999 --> 00:24:46,440
and back of its neck

557
00:24:52,669 --> 00:24:50,009
like a punk-rock mohawk and so clearly

558
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:52,679
you know wasn't a normal animal and and

559
00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:54,600
I've been on many expeditions supporter

560
00:24:59,269 --> 00:24:57,059
recode spoken to a lot of firsthand

561
00:25:02,299 --> 00:24:59,279
witnesses and again you know they come

562
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,309
across as very down-to-earth credible

563
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,799
people who just happens to be in the

564
00:25:08,269 --> 00:25:06,480
right place at the right time or

565
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,279
depending on your opinion the wrong

566
00:25:13,310 --> 00:25:11,039
place at the right time to see these

567
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:13,320
creatures and you know nothing to gain

568
00:25:19,129 --> 00:25:16,049
from making up a storage but just very

569
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:19,139
interested in hoping someone can answer

570
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:21,570
the question as to what they saw but I

571
00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:24,480
mean I've spoken to veterinarians police

572
00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:27,960
officers ranchers all of whom had some

573
00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:30,600
sort of involvement in these Chupacabra

574
00:25:36,289 --> 00:25:33,929
investigations and in some cases the

575
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:36,299
witnesses claimed that when the bodies

576
00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:40,320
were were necropsy that the blood were

577
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:42,120
signal a significant amount of blood was

578
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:44,850
missing from the corpses now you have to

579
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:46,620
be careful on that angle because

580
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,690
sometimes well what always happens I

581
00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:51,360
should say that when an animal dies in

582
00:25:56,029 --> 00:25:53,809
under those sort of situations the blood

583
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:56,039
gravity takes a blow to the lower part

584
00:25:59,779 --> 00:25:58,500
of the body so sometimes you know if you

585
00:26:02,360 --> 00:25:59,789
not sure what you do and you can cut

586
00:26:03,889 --> 00:26:02,370
into it and not find much blood but it's

587
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:03,899
not because the blood has all been

588
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:06,299
drained it's because the lorries just

589
00:26:11,659 --> 00:26:08,610
sunk to the lower levels of the body but

590
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:11,669
there are some cases where veterinarians

591
00:26:17,149 --> 00:26:14,970
have said yes you know large amounts of

592
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:17,159
blood were missing and they were far

593
00:26:21,499 --> 00:26:19,289
more than what you would find in just

594
00:26:23,180 --> 00:26:21,509
you know a regular killing and of course

595
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:23,190
one of the things a lot of people don't

596
00:26:28,940 --> 00:26:25,679
necessarily realize is there are no

597
00:26:31,639 --> 00:26:28,950
large dangerous indigenous animals on

598
00:26:36,110 --> 00:26:31,649
Puerto Rico that could mimic the attacks

599
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:36,120
of you know of the so called chupacabra

600
00:26:40,810 --> 00:26:37,289
I mean because there's nothing there's

601
00:26:43,879 --> 00:26:40,820
nothing like big cats roaming around as

602
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:43,889
nothing there's the largest animals were

603
00:26:52,009 --> 00:26:47,330
actually imported farm animals like pigs

604
00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:52,019
cows goats that conduct now in the late

605
00:26:57,379 --> 00:26:55,049
18th and early 19th century and even out

606
00:27:00,210 --> 00:26:57,389
to the Pacific Northwest there were

607
00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:00,220
Russian trappers and but

608
00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:05,950
purrs lived out for like years out and

609
00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:08,620
and wandered through the wilderness

610
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:11,500
you know trapping are you familiar with

611
00:27:17,850 --> 00:27:14,770
any stories that were talked about safe

612
00:27:19,470 --> 00:27:17,860
for any type of likes uh Squatch or

613
00:27:21,090 --> 00:27:19,480
anything like that were they ever talked

614
00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:21,100
about and anything that you've ever

615
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,400
heard of yeah yeah there's a lot of

616
00:27:31,289 --> 00:27:26,880
stories sort of going back to like the

617
00:27:33,060 --> 00:27:31,299
1800s particularly of you know sort of

618
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:33,070
so-called mountain men you know who

619
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,690
would sort of like trappers that kind of

620
00:27:39,149 --> 00:27:36,640
thing so you know spend a lot of time

621
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:39,159
out in the wilds and essentially living

622
00:27:44,970 --> 00:27:41,710
out there and you there are a lot of

623
00:27:48,060 --> 00:27:44,980
stories from the northern states of the

624
00:27:51,870 --> 00:27:48,070
u.s. also from way up into Canada and

625
00:27:54,539 --> 00:27:51,880
also from Russia as well and again you

626
00:27:57,690 --> 00:27:54,549
know this is way before the term Bigfoot

627
00:28:00,570 --> 00:27:57,700
was created back in the 1950s but prior

628
00:28:03,630 --> 00:28:00,580
to the 50s people were still talking

629
00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:03,640
about seeing these large hairy so-called

630
00:28:08,370 --> 00:28:06,190
wild men I mean I'll give you a couple

631
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:08,380
of classic examples there are reports

632
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:11,530
from the Second World War where Russian

633
00:28:19,020 --> 00:28:14,289
troops on several occasions when they

634
00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:19,030
were fighting the Nazis came across what

635
00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:21,460
you would call like hairy wild men and

636
00:28:26,730 --> 00:28:23,380
some of those reports have been really

637
00:28:28,649 --> 00:28:26,740
well documented and and again kind of

638
00:28:30,510 --> 00:28:28,659
like the Chinese errand and the

639
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:30,520
abominable snowman I think there's a

640
00:28:36,510 --> 00:28:33,090
good possibility that these are

641
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:36,520
flesh-and-blood animals because there

642
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:39,970
are no real supernatural overtones

643
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:42,130
attached to these stories like there is

644
00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:45,400
with Bigfoot's so these could be some

645
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,350
people believe them to be sort of

646
00:28:51,450 --> 00:28:49,600
primitive humans you know in the same

647
00:28:54,810 --> 00:28:51,460
way that today we're Homo sapiens but

648
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:54,820
before us there was cro-magnon man and

649
00:28:58,409 --> 00:28:56,530
Neanderthal man and we're still finding

650
00:29:02,120 --> 00:28:58,419
different early types of human remains

651
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:02,130
now so it's not impossible I think the

652
00:29:08,850 --> 00:29:06,159
isolated pockets in some parts of you

653
00:29:10,370 --> 00:29:08,860
know the the massive Russian icy snowy

654
00:29:14,150 --> 00:29:10,380
wastelands

655
00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:14,160
and you know could potentially still be

656
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:16,860
around and you know making sure that

657
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:20,700
they stay away from those crazy yeah

658
00:29:26,180 --> 00:29:23,850
going back up to the varieties of what

659
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:26,190
people are seeing you mentioned Mothman

660
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:29,850
and what is this dog man I've heard some

661
00:29:36,410 --> 00:29:34,170
people talk about that well the dog man

662
00:29:38,270 --> 00:29:36,420
is kind of almost like a kind of like a

663
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:38,280
politically correct term for what

664
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:40,890
everybody else would call a werewolf now

665
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:42,930
of course when you mentioned werewolves

666
00:29:47,090 --> 00:29:44,520
to anybody they think of like the movie

667
00:29:50,510 --> 00:29:47,100
version you know where somebody bursts

668
00:29:52,100 --> 00:29:50,520
out their plows at a full moon and you

669
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:52,110
know kills a bunch of teenagers in the

670
00:29:55,670 --> 00:29:53,360
woods you know sort of one of these

671
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:55,680
useless films you see on the sci-fi

672
00:30:02,450 --> 00:30:00,720
channel or whatever but the I think one

673
00:30:04,990 --> 00:30:02,460
of the reasons why the term dog man has

674
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:05,000
become preferred is because it creates

675
00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:09,570
imagery of you know the typical angle of

676
00:30:14,150 --> 00:30:11,640
people changing into wolves you know in

677
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:14,160
Hollywood movies that kind of thing

678
00:30:19,790 --> 00:30:17,490
but if you read most of the reports of

679
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,800
people have seen these so-called dog men

680
00:30:23,810 --> 00:30:22,080
there are literally hundreds of reports

681
00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:23,820
that may well be now thousands from

682
00:30:27,890 --> 00:30:26,280
across the US and Linda Godfrey as an

683
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,900
example has done I think there's six

684
00:30:32,750 --> 00:30:29,760
books on the subjects you've got so many

685
00:30:35,090 --> 00:30:32,760
reports and that's just Linder alone but

686
00:30:37,580 --> 00:30:35,100
what's interesting out of all those

687
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,590
hundreds and hundreds of reports I think

688
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:39,360
there are only two where people claim to

689
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:42,120
have seen these things shape-shift from

690
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:44,970
people into you know some sort of wolf

691
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:46,890
like animal and those couple of stories

692
00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:49,110
are very sort of suspect almost

693
00:30:55,730 --> 00:30:51,870
everybody has described seeing like a

694
00:30:58,700 --> 00:30:55,740
large wolf like animal but when the

695
00:31:01,400 --> 00:30:58,710
person has noticed it or its noticed

696
00:31:03,770 --> 00:31:01,410
them it rears up on to its hind legs and

697
00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:03,780
then usually backs away but also

698
00:31:08,420 --> 00:31:06,120
sometimes intimidates a person so

699
00:31:10,130 --> 00:31:08,430
there's no angle of despite what some

700
00:31:11,660 --> 00:31:10,140
people have said and think there's no

701
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:11,670
angle of these things you know people

702
00:31:16,850 --> 00:31:13,770
bursting out their clothes and attacking

703
00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:16,860
people etcetera etcetera they are if

704
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:19,980
they sound eerily like some kind of

705
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:23,070
unknown wolf but like a bear you know

706
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:23,929
can walk on

707
00:31:31,889 --> 00:31:27,710
two limbs or four limbs but it's a form

708
00:31:34,989 --> 00:31:31,899
of wolf rather than a form of you know

709
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:34,999
just a regular wolf but in saying that

710
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:38,720
Linda has also found that there been a

711
00:31:45,159 --> 00:31:42,169
large number of reports of the so called

712
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:45,169
dog main creatures around sacred sites

713
00:31:50,919 --> 00:31:48,529
like for example Wisconsin earth mounds

714
00:31:52,859 --> 00:31:50,929
you know these ancient earth mounds that

715
00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:52,869
even today provoked a lot of controversy

716
00:31:57,759 --> 00:31:55,340
as to why they were built and who

717
00:32:00,249 --> 00:31:57,769
exactly built them and what they you

718
00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:00,259
know what there were for and also a lot

719
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:03,230
of sightings around places at a classic

720
00:32:09,779 --> 00:32:05,090
places in the world of the supernatural

721
00:32:13,659 --> 00:32:09,789
like crossroads graveyards cemeteries

722
00:32:17,409 --> 00:32:13,669
stone circles so you know this suggests

723
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:17,419
to me that the the dog man is kind of

724
00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:19,850
like Mothman and Bigfoot's and possibly

725
00:32:24,340 --> 00:32:22,190
NASA that there's something something

726
00:32:26,649 --> 00:32:24,350
supernatural and they seem to be tied to

727
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:26,659
specific aspects of the environment

728
00:32:30,879 --> 00:32:28,610
which might also time we'd like

729
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:30,889
dimensions and portals and things like

730
00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:33,289
other as there are with UFOs they're

731
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:38,990
like flaps or hot spots where you just

732
00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:41,690
mentioned that people see them a lot in

733
00:32:47,139 --> 00:32:44,600
different areas but are there like a hot

734
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:47,149
hot spots where there's a lot of these

735
00:32:52,450 --> 00:32:50,809
creatures seen well that's a good

736
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:52,460
question because if you go back and you

737
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:54,350
look and say the books particularly from

738
00:32:59,649 --> 00:32:56,570
the 70s on Bigfoot I mean you'll find

739
00:33:02,529 --> 00:32:59,659
numerous accounts of flaps and waves of

740
00:33:04,570 --> 00:33:02,539
sightings of Bigfoot you know causing

741
00:33:06,369 --> 00:33:04,580
hysteria and this one particular town

742
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:06,379
and then it spreads to another one five

743
00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,690
miles away and then it's gone and then

744
00:33:12,639 --> 00:33:10,399
he picks up again 100 miles away you

745
00:33:15,070 --> 00:33:12,649
know and there's countless stories of

746
00:33:17,409 --> 00:33:15,080
people in little towns you know jumping

747
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:17,419
in the truck with a you know gun full of

748
00:33:22,060 --> 00:33:19,340
bullets and we're gonna bag a sasquatch

749
00:33:23,980 --> 00:33:22,070
you know you can find lots of stories

750
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:23,990
like that particularly from the 70s but

751
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,919
today the cases seem to be more random

752
00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:29,840
you know one person will happen to see

753
00:33:33,340 --> 00:33:31,220
one of these creatures when they're

754
00:33:35,499 --> 00:33:33,350
walking through the woods and although

755
00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:35,509
there may well be other sightings in the

756
00:33:40,990 --> 00:33:37,880
area it's not like and on

757
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:41,000
knowing wave as such as it was you know

758
00:33:45,190 --> 00:33:43,610
decades ago so that that's sort of an

759
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:45,200
interesting question because there's

760
00:33:50,260 --> 00:33:47,570
been a definite change in the way in

761
00:33:51,820 --> 00:33:50,270
which these creatures are seen but for

762
00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:51,830
me at least the best book that's been

763
00:33:57,030 --> 00:33:55,070
written on sort of a specific certain

764
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,040
wave of Bigfoot activity in the US

765
00:34:02,200 --> 00:33:59,360
written by a friend of mine Stan Gordon

766
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:02,210
the books called silent invasion and

767
00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:04,880
that's a really good study of a Bigfoot

768
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:07,790
slash UFO wave in pencil at rural

769
00:34:14,409 --> 00:34:11,960
Pennsylvania in the early 1970s and Stan

770
00:34:15,730 --> 00:34:14,419
who's still active in the subject was at

771
00:34:18,340 --> 00:34:15,740
the forefront of doing all those

772
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,350
investigations back in the early 70s I

773
00:34:23,740 --> 00:34:20,720
think he started when he was like 16 or

774
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:23,750
something like that and and that's a

775
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:26,030
really good regional study of not just

776
00:34:32,409 --> 00:34:29,210
the weird aside of Bigfoot's but how the

777
00:34:35,020 --> 00:34:32,419
the whole angle of the sort of the wave

778
00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:35,030
the flap angle sort of dominated

779
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:36,950
research back then right now what are

780
00:34:45,399 --> 00:34:40,310
some of these strangest type of cryptids

781
00:34:47,379 --> 00:34:45,409
that you've ever heard reports of oh wow

782
00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:47,389
well there's a lot of them I mean one I

783
00:34:51,850 --> 00:34:49,250
can think of which is actually not too

784
00:34:54,970 --> 00:34:51,860
far away from where I live I live just

785
00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:54,980
outside Dallas Texas and if I sort of

786
00:35:00,250 --> 00:34:57,590
drive north for a couple of hours comes

787
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:00,260
a place just over the border in Oklahoma

788
00:35:05,050 --> 00:35:02,210
called Lake Thunderbird and like

789
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:05,060
Thunderbird is the home of something

790
00:35:09,550 --> 00:35:06,710
that's become known as the Alcala Harbor

791
00:35:11,650 --> 00:35:09,560
octopus which it's almost like a

792
00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:11,660
legendary type story was very weird one

793
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:13,790
about people claims have seen not just

794
00:35:19,620 --> 00:35:16,390
in Lake Thunderbird but in surrounding

795
00:35:22,930 --> 00:35:19,630
other lakes and tributaries and rivers

796
00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:22,940
these sort of large tentacled creatures

797
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:27,950
which clearly aren't octopus because the

798
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:32,240
octopus lives in salt water and all

799
00:35:37,570 --> 00:35:34,490
these lakes and rivers and regulates etc

800
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:37,580
are freshwater but the the name the

801
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:38,240
Oklahoma

802
00:35:43,780 --> 00:35:41,450
the fact that people have seen these

803
00:35:46,420 --> 00:35:43,790
large tentacles coming out of the water

804
00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:46,430
now what they are I have no idea but

805
00:35:51,250 --> 00:35:48,220
they kind of sound a little bit like a

806
00:35:55,090 --> 00:35:51,260
shrunken down version of HP Lovecraft

807
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,100
cthulhu no something like that but

808
00:35:58,690 --> 00:35:57,200
another way at one which a friend of

809
00:36:02,050 --> 00:35:58,700
mine Richard Freeman went to investigate

810
00:36:04,510 --> 00:36:02,060
in Mongolia a few years ago he's known

811
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:04,520
as the Mongolian Death Worm and if you

812
00:36:07,930 --> 00:36:06,050
look up it stands a weird now if you

813
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:07,940
look it up because actually he's reputed

814
00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:10,910
to be a real animal which is like a like

815
00:36:18,130 --> 00:36:13,700
a coiling snake-like animal that burrows

816
00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:18,140
under the sands and can sort of shoot

817
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:20,390
electricity out in the same way like an

818
00:36:25,660 --> 00:36:22,970
electric eel can and sort of stun and

819
00:36:27,340 --> 00:36:25,670
kill its prey and it just for the most

820
00:36:30,970 --> 00:36:27,350
part lives under the sand if you've ever

821
00:36:33,580 --> 00:36:30,980
seen the any of the movers just give me

822
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:33,590
the movies the tremors movies you know

823
00:36:39,790 --> 00:36:36,650
where these large thunder snake I think

824
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:39,800
that yeah they're kind of like that but

825
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,810
smaller but if he's sort of that concept

826
00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:43,520
and the story of the Mongolian Death

827
00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:46,520
Worm has been around a Mongol if you no

828
00:36:54,910 --> 00:36:50,380
longer speak of lived in the area now

829
00:36:58,390 --> 00:36:54,920
what about the ocean Arthur are there

830
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,400
really strange things reported that you

831
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:00,800
know kind of like one person reported so

832
00:37:06,100 --> 00:37:04,370
they saw a prehistoric you know dinosaur

833
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:06,110
type creature or something like that I

834
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:11,650
know the giant squid is an elusive one

835
00:37:17,830 --> 00:37:15,530
yeah I mean again this is where I sort

836
00:37:20,050 --> 00:37:17,840
of bear away from the more paranormal

837
00:37:22,090 --> 00:37:20,060
thing I think there are a lot of things

838
00:37:23,710 --> 00:37:22,100
in the oceans that we don't know what

839
00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:23,720
they are yet or that may have survived

840
00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:26,150
extinction and I don't think these

841
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:27,950
things are paranormal I mean you can

842
00:37:35,590 --> 00:37:31,280
find reports of sea serpents going back

843
00:37:38,110 --> 00:37:35,600
centuries and reported by very credible

844
00:37:40,270 --> 00:37:38,120
ship's crews and captains and you know

845
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:40,280
is we can still access the old logbooks

846
00:37:44,830 --> 00:37:42,650
for example in the British government

847
00:37:47,740 --> 00:37:44,840
National Archives just outside London

848
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:47,750
they've got an entire file on sea

849
00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:51,710
serpents reports filed by the British

850
00:37:56,910 --> 00:37:54,200
Royal Navy and the Admiralty which is

851
00:37:59,170 --> 00:37:56,920
like the equivalents of the the US Navy

852
00:38:02,590 --> 00:37:59,180
some of these stories go back to the

853
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:02,600
1700s of ships captains and the entire

854
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:04,640
crew see in these things and described

855
00:38:07,809 --> 00:38:05,119
them as

856
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:07,819
of a huge snake-like creature sort of

857
00:38:13,539 --> 00:38:10,490
5060 feet long in some cases even longer

858
00:38:17,319 --> 00:38:13,549
we sort of bodys the thickness of oil

859
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:17,329
drums and clearly not recognizing there

860
00:38:23,499 --> 00:38:20,480
was anything normal but also as you said

861
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:23,509
you get giant squids things like this

862
00:38:30,999 --> 00:38:25,730
which may have led to legends of things

863
00:38:32,799 --> 00:38:31,009
like the Kraken and you know these some

864
00:38:34,989 --> 00:38:32,809
of the world's oceans are so deep that

865
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:34,999
it's you know even with our technology

866
00:38:40,420 --> 00:38:37,249
it can be quite dicey to go to some of

867
00:38:42,220 --> 00:38:40,430
the really lowest levels of all and of

868
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:42,230
course a lot of creatures that live that

869
00:38:47,319 --> 00:38:45,410
low down may you know of adapted to

870
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:47,329
where they never really surface so

871
00:38:52,420 --> 00:38:49,849
unless we go looking into their into

872
00:38:55,029 --> 00:38:52,430
their environments we may never ever

873
00:38:57,249 --> 00:38:55,039
find them because you know they have no

874
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:57,259
reason to surface at all particularly if

875
00:39:01,809 --> 00:38:58,400
they're fish you know they would never

876
00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:01,819
need to surface so I think you know

877
00:39:07,299 --> 00:39:04,670
there's a lot of things certainly you

878
00:39:09,539 --> 00:39:07,309
know within the oceans that do sort of

879
00:39:14,410 --> 00:39:09,549
lend credence to the idea that there are

880
00:39:15,519 --> 00:39:14,420
you know pockets of animals that we

881
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:15,529
don't know what they are and the problem

882
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:17,930
is of course most people like me who

883
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,480
would love to go you know spend two

884
00:39:23,890 --> 00:39:22,640
weeks or whatever you know check you

885
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:23,900
know some of the lowest levels of the

886
00:39:28,029 --> 00:39:25,730
Pacific or whatever you know we don't

887
00:39:30,430 --> 00:39:28,039
have the finances to do that obviously

888
00:39:33,970 --> 00:39:30,440
the people who do but you know big

889
00:39:35,739 --> 00:39:33,980
universities and you know etc ironically

890
00:39:39,220 --> 00:39:35,749
they're the ones that do have the

891
00:39:40,809 --> 00:39:39,230
ability and the money to do it but they

892
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:40,819
won't do it because of fear of it

893
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:43,249
upsetting their reputations you know so

894
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:45,609
it's sort of like a catch-22 situation

895
00:39:51,609 --> 00:39:48,170
in terms of actually trying to find

896
00:39:54,130 --> 00:39:51,619
these rings now I do remember a few

897
00:39:56,019 --> 00:39:54,140
years ago I don't remember exactly when

898
00:39:58,539 --> 00:39:56,029
it happened you know maybe ten years ago

899
00:40:00,640 --> 00:39:58,549
but the Montauk Monster what it was

900
00:40:04,089 --> 00:40:00,650
claimed are you familiar with that well

901
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:04,099
yeah yeah yeah and that was a that was

902
00:40:08,979 --> 00:40:06,170
attributed to have something to do with

903
00:40:11,019 --> 00:40:08,989
the Plum Island Animal Disease Center

904
00:40:14,049 --> 00:40:11,029
they they thought it was some type of

905
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:14,059
creation or something do you know what

906
00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:17,640
the follow-up was on that particular one

907
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:22,120
well various theories are put forward to

908
00:40:25,860 --> 00:40:24,250
be honest I don't think it all has

909
00:40:30,540 --> 00:40:25,870
anything to do with all these months or

910
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:30,550
conspiracy stories and if you look at it

911
00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:32,410
people got really excited by the idea

912
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:34,660
see to have a beak but actually wasn't

913
00:40:37,410 --> 00:40:35,440
what it was

914
00:40:40,590 --> 00:40:37,420
you had part of the head which still had

915
00:40:43,290 --> 00:40:40,600
the skin on but beneath that then the

916
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:43,300
the the muzzle path the skin was all

917
00:40:47,850 --> 00:40:45,700
gone so you had sort of just the bounty

918
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:47,860
pass but when you looked at it he looked

919
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,230
like like a regular head and then they

920
00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:52,720
suddenly boney point which was perceived

921
00:40:58,860 --> 00:40:55,360
and did actually look like a baked but I

922
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,870
mean the studies of other animals were

923
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:00,640
found and some people suggested that it

924
00:41:05,970 --> 00:41:03,250
was a dog the people suggesting a beaver

925
00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:05,980
I don't know if it was ever actually

926
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:09,220
proved as anything but I mean you know

927
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:12,910
for me there's no need for my opinion at

928
00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:14,470
least there's no need to sort of make a

929
00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:17,800
leap to suggest that just because nobody

930
00:41:22,740 --> 00:41:19,720
took the time to actually pay to of it

931
00:41:24,510 --> 00:41:22,750
you know autopsies and autopsy properly

932
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:24,520
and it's DNA taken which is again is

933
00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:27,760
very expensive to do for me there's no

934
00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:29,620
need to take a leap to say that you know

935
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:31,600
the government's creating monsters under

936
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:34,210
Montauk over there right right for the

937
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:36,610
person watching this show live it's up

938
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:39,720
on YouTube I just posted a an image of

939
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:42,130
whatever it was that washed up on the

940
00:41:47,070 --> 00:41:44,530
shore but yeah I can see if you look at

941
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:47,080
it you couldn't see that it could be

942
00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:48,570
partially washed away

943
00:41:53,580 --> 00:41:51,550
you know decomposing and just make I

944
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:53,590
mean that happens a lot yeah a lot of

945
00:41:59,970 --> 00:41:55,570
things that wash up on shore look

946
00:42:02,100 --> 00:41:59,980
strange because they're decomposing yeah

947
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,110
you're right and and again a lot of

948
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:03,760
people aren't sort of really always

949
00:42:08,130 --> 00:42:06,010
conversant with what you know something

950
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:08,140
looks like and I said that the other

951
00:42:15,150 --> 00:42:11,110
problem of course is a DNA analysis

952
00:42:18,570 --> 00:42:15,160
would have fully 100% of confirmed what

953
00:42:20,970 --> 00:42:18,580
it was or what it wasn't but I mean but

954
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:20,980
doing DNA analysis can literally run

955
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:22,930
into the thousands of dollars you know

956
00:42:30,210 --> 00:42:26,850
not hundreds of thousands so again the

957
00:42:30,940 --> 00:42:30,220
sometimes the the ancestor they what

958
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:30,950
some of these things

959
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:34,160
our elude us not because always of a

960
00:42:38,530 --> 00:42:36,170
parent because of a paranormal angle but

961
00:42:42,130 --> 00:42:38,540
simply because there's no way for the

962
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:42,140
average cryptozoologist to you know have

963
00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:44,960
scientific studies done on some of these

964
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:47,630
corpses that get washed up because it is

965
00:42:53,730 --> 00:42:50,240
so massively expensive you know and

966
00:42:56,500 --> 00:42:53,740
despite what some people think you know

967
00:42:58,089 --> 00:42:56,510
nobody's gonna get rich from writing

968
00:43:00,280 --> 00:42:58,099
books um Bigfoot or the Loch Ness

969
00:43:03,210 --> 00:43:00,290
monster you know it doesn't happen you

970
00:43:05,650 --> 00:43:03,220
know we do it because that's passion but

971
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:05,660
you know there's a lot of people don't

972
00:43:10,089 --> 00:43:07,849
think that they think you know if you

973
00:43:12,370 --> 00:43:10,099
write a few books on UFOs or whatever

974
00:43:18,339 --> 00:43:12,380
you sort of driving a Ferrari in the

975
00:43:21,250 --> 00:43:18,349
Hollywood Hills you know that when I

976
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:21,260
talk to ya Bobby but joking aside you

977
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,410
know I do what I do because I enjoy it

978
00:43:29,020 --> 00:43:26,240
and as long as I've got that passion and

979
00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:29,030
enthusiasm for it I'll keep doing it you

980
00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:31,700
know for me that's the primary thing is

981
00:43:37,569 --> 00:43:35,180
to find the evidence to finally say what

982
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,579
these things really are going back to we

983
00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:39,680
were talking about dr. Melba Ketchum

984
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,540
earlier and what and just to get your

985
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,119
opinion I'm not asking you to say

986
00:43:52,089 --> 00:43:49,520
anything against it or I just want to

987
00:43:56,140 --> 00:43:52,099
know your opinion of what was claimed to

988
00:44:00,130 --> 00:43:56,150
be DNA evidence found have you been

989
00:44:03,010 --> 00:44:00,140
following that I am quality that closely

990
00:44:04,450 --> 00:44:03,020
but I mean what I would say is the main

991
00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:04,460
reason why I didn't follow it closely

992
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:07,790
was because I would have assumed that if

993
00:44:13,420 --> 00:44:12,290
we had 100% solid undeniable proof he

994
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:13,430
would have been front-page news

995
00:44:19,569 --> 00:44:16,609
everywhere but he wasn't front page news

996
00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:19,579
everywhere yeah so I honestly have all

997
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:23,980
of the story too deeply but you know I

998
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:26,990
think when you sort of look at the the

999
00:44:31,630 --> 00:44:29,930
overall story you know I'd like to you

1000
00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:31,640
know I really ought to go back and sort

1001
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:34,040
of check it all out properly but I mean

1002
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:36,050
it's like I just sort of draw parallels

1003
00:44:43,450 --> 00:44:40,730
with you know with a hair sample or film

1004
00:44:44,740 --> 00:44:43,460
footage but if it was proved to be

1005
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:44,750
undeniable

1006
00:44:48,220 --> 00:44:46,850
he wouldn't just pay you know something

1007
00:44:49,570 --> 00:44:48,230
we'd be talking about tonight it would

1008
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:49,580
be on the front page of the New York

1009
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,570
Times or whatever because if it was so

1010
00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:56,000
definitive so that's you know that's the

1011
00:45:00,730 --> 00:44:57,080
issue I have with a lot of these

1012
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:00,740
accounts yes I know that she couldn't

1013
00:45:08,830 --> 00:45:06,110
find anyone to publish her findings so

1014
00:45:11,470 --> 00:45:08,840
and peer review it and all that but I

1015
00:45:15,130 --> 00:45:11,480
think that she actually published it

1016
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:15,140
herself and so I don't know you know how

1017
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,530
far you can get well well admittedly

1018
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,480
that is one of the problems because as I

1019
00:45:25,660 --> 00:45:22,640
sort of briefly mentioned earlier the

1020
00:45:28,690 --> 00:45:25,670
very people who could actually do a

1021
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:28,700
really good study and who have you know

1022
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:31,910
massive funding for expeditions you know

1023
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:34,010
in search of this or that they could

1024
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:36,170
actually really solve some of these

1025
00:45:42,190 --> 00:45:39,470
cases I think because they do have the

1026
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:42,200
funding you know everything else but

1027
00:45:47,950 --> 00:45:45,050
they're also the people are very worried

1028
00:45:51,340 --> 00:45:47,960
about their reputations you know

1029
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:51,350
unfortunately most zoologists don't want

1030
00:45:56,980 --> 00:45:53,810
to be known as the guy who chases

1031
00:45:59,080 --> 00:45:56,990
Bigfoot's even if privately they believe

1032
00:46:01,060 --> 00:45:59,090
in it publicly they won't say so and for

1033
00:46:04,030 --> 00:46:01,070
me for the most part anyway for me

1034
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:04,040
that's sort of like a cowardly useless

1035
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:06,050
way of living your life you know I think

1036
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,330
that if you ever believe in something

1037
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:09,920
and you feel it's worth pursuing

1038
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:11,870
whatever it is you know whether you want

1039
00:46:16,750 --> 00:46:14,990
to you know ride back cryptozoology if

1040
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:16,760
you want to be a rock band or an actor

1041
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:18,530
you know you should just do it

1042
00:46:23,170 --> 00:46:20,810
regardless of what anybody thinks and I

1043
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:23,180
think that's the one downside when he

1044
00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:24,890
comes to these type of creatures that

1045
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:27,590
you know when you're dealing with things

1046
00:46:33,550 --> 00:46:31,280
that's a controversial some people take

1047
00:46:36,370 --> 00:46:33,560
the Cowardly way out and privately might

1048
00:46:38,830 --> 00:46:36,380
have a personal interest publicly

1049
00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:38,840
they'll just laugh at it and you know I

1050
00:46:43,090 --> 00:46:41,270
don't really have much time for you know

1051
00:46:45,550 --> 00:46:43,100
people who've got no backbone right

1052
00:46:47,830 --> 00:46:45,560
right um you know I was having trouble

1053
00:46:49,630 --> 00:46:47,840
with the chat room and now I see there

1054
00:46:53,410 --> 00:46:49,640
is a bunch of people on there and a lot

1055
00:46:55,150 --> 00:46:53,420
of if there's any questions I'm sorry I

1056
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,160
just like I said I've just got the chat

1057
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:57,440
room to work on my end I was typing in

1058
00:46:59,960 --> 00:46:58,050
it and

1059
00:47:02,090 --> 00:46:59,970
nothing would come up so if you had

1060
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:02,100
posted questions earlier please go ahead

1061
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:03,420
and post them again because I'm about

1062
00:47:09,550 --> 00:47:05,130
ready to change the subject

1063
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:09,560
here pretty soon here with with Nick

1064
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:14,850
bacon yeah it's a conspiracy so I did

1065
00:47:19,100 --> 00:47:16,530
see that someone wanted to or they

1066
00:47:23,420 --> 00:47:19,110
wanted to know more about Mothman now

1067
00:47:25,550 --> 00:47:23,430
there was a movie about Mothman was that

1068
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:25,560
did that follow any of what was being

1069
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:28,170
reported or was that too just taken off

1070
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:32,640
and as a sci-fi movie oh it it did

1071
00:47:38,090 --> 00:47:35,250
follow the story but because the Mothman

1072
00:47:40,610 --> 00:47:38,100
story so lens being complicated you know

1073
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:40,620
there's only so much you can get across

1074
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:42,900
in two hours so you know it was

1075
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:44,370
massively condensed and some of the

1076
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:46,290
names were changed but it did broadly

1077
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:47,880
tell the story and for people who aren't

1078
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:50,960
fully aware of it Mothman was this a

1079
00:47:56,090 --> 00:47:54,450
glowing red-eyed humanoid type creature

1080
00:47:59,360 --> 00:47:56,100
that some people described as having

1081
00:48:01,280 --> 00:47:59,370
back light wings and he was seen in and

1082
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:01,290
around the town of Point Pleasant West

1083
00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:05,640
Virginia from late 66 to roughly around

1084
00:48:10,550 --> 00:48:08,190
about the end of 67 and it all

1085
00:48:12,380 --> 00:48:10,560
culminated with the collapse of the

1086
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:12,390
town's silver bridge as it was called

1087
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:15,330
into the Ohio River and more than 40

1088
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:17,250
people were killed you know drowned when

1089
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:19,110
the cars just plummeted into the river

1090
00:48:23,690 --> 00:48:20,970
when the bridge collapsed and a lot of

1091
00:48:27,380 --> 00:48:23,700
people in town and researchers as well

1092
00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:27,390
came to believe that the the Mothman was

1093
00:48:35,570 --> 00:48:30,990
either the cause of the disaster or that

1094
00:48:38,210 --> 00:48:35,580
it was some kind of sort of warning type

1095
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:38,220
entity you know warning of a disaster

1096
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:39,710
rather than actually causing it but

1097
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:43,110
people saw the Mothman all around town

1098
00:48:48,770 --> 00:48:45,330
and the name Mothman kind of sounds like

1099
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:48,780
some sort of cheesy superhero kind of

1100
00:48:53,900 --> 00:48:50,220
thing he wasn't like that it was more

1101
00:48:55,850 --> 00:48:53,910
like a very shadowy ominous as I said

1102
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:55,860
glowing eye type of thing that would

1103
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:58,650
lurk in the shadows around town late at

1104
00:49:03,050 --> 00:49:01,440
night in the woods and saw overhead you

1105
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:03,060
know people would see it against a fall

1106
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:05,490
no and things like that and so very

1107
00:49:10,769 --> 00:49:08,850
creepy almost like a gothic sort of

1108
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:10,779
horror story really

1109
00:49:16,049 --> 00:49:13,089
the two books on it the one everybody

1110
00:49:17,909 --> 00:49:16,059
knows the Mothman Prophecies by John

1111
00:49:20,489 --> 00:49:17,919
Cale which was the same name the movie

1112
00:49:22,919 --> 00:49:20,499
as well but it's also another very good

1113
00:49:24,989 --> 00:49:22,929
book which is far more atmospheric

1114
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:24,999
written by grey Barker called the Silver

1115
00:49:31,169 --> 00:49:28,089
Bridge which is harder to find but for

1116
00:49:33,509 --> 00:49:31,179
me it actually is a better read it just

1117
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:33,519
didn't he never really sold and kind of

1118
00:49:38,219 --> 00:49:36,400
went into obscurity but I've been to

1119
00:49:40,620 --> 00:49:38,229
Point Pleasant on a number of occasions

1120
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:40,630
and people you know when you get their

1121
00:49:45,149 --> 00:49:43,359
confidence they'll say that well you

1122
00:49:47,219 --> 00:49:45,159
know things are still seen around here

1123
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:47,229
we still get occasional reports and

1124
00:49:53,429 --> 00:49:49,599
sightings so you know something's still

1125
00:49:58,049 --> 00:49:53,439
going on well and is that just unique to

1126
00:50:00,449 --> 00:49:58,059
that specific area no not really I mean

1127
00:50:02,489 --> 00:50:00,459
although the term Mothman is really just

1128
00:50:04,979 --> 00:50:02,499
applied to that area I mean you can find

1129
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,989
stories of again like winged humanoids

1130
00:50:09,269 --> 00:50:06,880
all throughout history I mean you can go

1131
00:50:14,209 --> 00:50:09,279
back to you know an ancient folklore

1132
00:50:16,409 --> 00:50:14,219
mythology like the harpies gargoyles

1133
00:50:18,899 --> 00:50:16,419
Houston just a few hours drive from

1134
00:50:20,969 --> 00:50:18,909
where I live back in the early fifties

1135
00:50:22,499 --> 00:50:20,979
there were reports around the city of

1136
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:22,509
Houston of a creature that became known

1137
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:25,900
as the Houston Batman and you can find a

1138
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,689
few news stories online about it and

1139
00:50:33,779 --> 00:50:30,400
also some of the original clippings of

1140
00:50:35,579 --> 00:50:33,789
somebody scanned and posted and again

1141
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:35,589
people described as like a humanoid

1142
00:50:41,099 --> 00:50:38,609
creature but with these large wings and

1143
00:50:43,649 --> 00:50:41,109
there's also a British equivalent called

1144
00:50:45,749 --> 00:50:43,659
the owl man which as the name suggests

1145
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:45,759
you know it's kind of like a again like

1146
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:48,880
a humanoid bird like animal but again

1147
00:50:53,999 --> 00:50:51,130
you can find these things all throughout

1148
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:54,009
history you know but they're just been

1149
00:50:59,519 --> 00:50:56,169
given different names by different

1150
00:51:03,029 --> 00:50:59,529
cultures um Otto in the chatroom wanted

1151
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:03,039
to know that he asked has anyone ever

1152
00:51:10,169 --> 00:51:07,209
tried to Remote View a Bigfoot or I'll

1153
00:51:13,499 --> 00:51:10,179
go further any other type of cryptid

1154
00:51:15,959 --> 00:51:13,509
known well that's a good question the

1155
00:51:18,689 --> 00:51:15,969
only one that I do know of he's one that

1156
00:51:20,399 --> 00:51:18,699
Jim Marrs spoke about in his book I

1157
00:51:23,459 --> 00:51:20,409
think it was called remote viewers and

1158
00:51:24,270 --> 00:51:23,469
he talks about how when the US

1159
00:51:26,910 --> 00:51:24,280
government was

1160
00:51:28,620 --> 00:51:26,920
the height of its research into remote

1161
00:51:31,590 --> 00:51:28,630
viewing which for people who don't know

1162
00:51:33,540 --> 00:51:31,600
it's sort of cyclically spying on the

1163
00:51:35,700 --> 00:51:33,550
Russians was the overall game you know

1164
00:51:38,430 --> 00:51:35,710
to try and figure out if we could sort

1165
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:38,440
of spy on the Russians and the Kremlin

1166
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:40,510
but using our minds rather than having

1167
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:42,970
to send agents out to you know do

1168
00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:46,240
espionage work and according to Jim's

1169
00:51:51,780 --> 00:51:49,750
book on a number of occasions some of

1170
00:51:54,180 --> 00:51:51,790
the remote viewers actually did remote

1171
00:51:56,310 --> 00:51:54,190
view Loch Ness and they described seeing

1172
00:51:58,830 --> 00:51:56,320
this strange creature but interestingly

1173
00:52:01,650 --> 00:51:58,840
enough they said that he would suddenly

1174
00:52:03,690 --> 00:52:01,660
vanish oh man they described his almost

1175
00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:03,700
ghost-like rather than being a

1176
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:05,620
flesh-and-blood animal that it was kind

1177
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:06,970
of like these Bigfoot stories it was

1178
00:52:12,210 --> 00:52:09,730
there one second and gone the next so

1179
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:12,220
but that's a good question because I'm

1180
00:52:16,890 --> 00:52:14,710
actually not aware of any other research

1181
00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:16,900
that has been done with remote viewing

1182
00:52:21,210 --> 00:52:18,460
and cryptids but he actually would be a

1183
00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:21,220
good area to look into you know you're a

1184
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:24,400
really skilled remote viewer out in the

1185
00:52:29,490 --> 00:52:26,890
fields you know where Bigfoot's been

1186
00:52:31,410 --> 00:52:29,500
seen I mean it could actually turn up so

1187
00:52:33,150 --> 00:52:31,420
interesting information right right I

1188
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:33,160
wondered that may happen you never know

1189
00:52:39,150 --> 00:52:34,930
someone might be listening to the show

1190
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:39,160
and do it tomorrow you never know so I

1191
00:52:50,730 --> 00:52:44,410
had Mike I'm trying to remember his name

1192
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:50,740
talk about owls Mike leyland right and I

1193
00:52:57,690 --> 00:52:55,330
met him in Maine a few years ago so what

1194
00:53:01,560 --> 00:52:57,700
do you ever follow any part of that or

1195
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:01,570
is that like totally has or he believes

1196
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:05,170
it has to do with UFOs or possibly like

1197
00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:07,570
a shape-shifting of an alien type of

1198
00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:12,910
thing well yeah I mean Mike's book on

1199
00:53:18,180 --> 00:53:14,920
this particular subject you know it sort

1200
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:18,190
of like a huge book that studies a lot

1201
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:22,450
of weird anomalous encounters people

1202
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:26,770
have had with howl like creatures in

1203
00:53:30,930 --> 00:53:28,660
some Carroll I say I'll like because

1204
00:53:33,690 --> 00:53:30,940
many of the people you know been driving

1205
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:33,700
down a road late at night and they see

1206
00:53:37,110 --> 00:53:35,350
standing at the edge of the road what

1207
00:53:38,190 --> 00:53:37,120
looks like an owl but it's like five

1208
00:53:40,290 --> 00:53:38,200
feet tall

1209
00:53:42,060 --> 00:53:40,300
and for some reason we don't really

1210
00:53:44,130 --> 00:53:42,070
understand people just carry on driving

1211
00:53:45,810 --> 00:53:44,140
and they don't give you a proper thought

1212
00:53:48,540 --> 00:53:45,820
and then then apples they think we'll

1213
00:53:50,610 --> 00:53:48,550
hang on a minute there are now five foot

1214
00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:50,620
tall wall excuse me owls running around

1215
00:53:56,550 --> 00:53:53,860
or flying around and then the people

1216
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:56,560
starts have weird dreams and being cases

1217
00:54:01,410 --> 00:53:58,330
where people have wondered if they've

1218
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:01,420
had like an alien encounter but it's

1219
00:54:06,450 --> 00:54:03,850
been sort of masked by a screen memory

1220
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:06,460
to take away the trauma of what really

1221
00:54:10,410 --> 00:54:08,110
happened and and that you know that is a

1222
00:54:11,790 --> 00:54:10,420
legitimate phenomenon that happens you

1223
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:11,800
know if somebody goes through a

1224
00:54:17,070 --> 00:54:14,650
particularly traumatic event sometimes

1225
00:54:19,590 --> 00:54:17,080
the mind blocks out the real events and

1226
00:54:20,100 --> 00:54:19,600
creates sort of a screen memory as its

1227
00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:20,110
called

1228
00:54:25,350 --> 00:54:22,630
so the trauma kind of psychologically

1229
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:25,360
impact he's sort of taken away a bit but

1230
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:26,770
the big question of course is why do

1231
00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:35,610
the book of micro theory it the

1232
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:38,070
messengers that actually talks about how

1233
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:40,930
people who had about people that had

1234
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:42,490
sort of weird synchronistic events

1235
00:54:49,230 --> 00:54:45,370
involving owls at the time of somebody's

1236
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:49,240
death almost as if the owl recognized or

1237
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:50,560
knew that something was going to happen

1238
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:52,690
in the house where you know it landed on

1239
00:54:56,370 --> 00:54:54,910
the window over the particular house or

1240
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,380
whatever something that you know was

1241
00:55:02,190 --> 00:54:58,960
unheard of that kind of thing but a lot

1242
00:55:05,130 --> 00:55:02,200
of weird cases like that you know howls

1243
00:55:07,740 --> 00:55:05,140
and synchronicities owls and death owls

1244
00:55:09,420 --> 00:55:07,750
and UFOs and might talks a lot about

1245
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:09,430
those in his book as well you know when

1246
00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:13,390
I met you in Phoenix a few years ago in

1247
00:55:19,230 --> 00:55:15,670
February two years ago when you were out

1248
00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:19,240
there yeah I happen to go over with my

1249
00:55:25,350 --> 00:55:23,350
dog over to the casino and you know for

1250
00:55:28,410 --> 00:55:25,360
just walk him walking him along and

1251
00:55:30,780 --> 00:55:28,420
there was a gal outside near and her 20s

1252
00:55:33,180 --> 00:55:30,790
smoking a cigarette and she asked me she

1253
00:55:35,460 --> 00:55:33,190
says what's going on over there and I

1254
00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:35,470
said oh it's a UFO conference and she

1255
00:55:40,110 --> 00:55:37,540
goes really she goes I I should go over

1256
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:40,120
there and I said well why did you have a

1257
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:42,250
sighting or something and I love talking

1258
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:44,250
to people when this comes up like this

1259
00:55:52,049 --> 00:55:50,290
and she said yes it was really weird so

1260
00:55:55,259 --> 00:55:52,059
I go can you tell me about you know

1261
00:55:56,999 --> 00:55:55,269
happen so she was riding with her friend

1262
00:55:58,739 --> 00:55:57,009
or friend was driving and they weren't

1263
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:58,749
they were about 20 miles away from where

1264
00:56:06,569 --> 00:56:02,079
the conference's and they were driving

1265
00:56:09,749 --> 00:56:06,579
next to a Mesa and they saw something

1266
00:56:13,009 --> 00:56:09,759
come off the top of the Mesa and go over

1267
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:13,019
toward their car and it was some type of

1268
00:56:17,309 --> 00:56:15,130
they said they couldn't see it was an

1269
00:56:19,380 --> 00:56:17,319
object that was just like right over the

1270
00:56:22,589 --> 00:56:19,390
third car they could look up and so she

1271
00:56:25,410 --> 00:56:22,599
started screaming to her friend go go go

1272
00:56:27,209 --> 00:56:25,420
and they were on like a open highway so

1273
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:27,219
she gunned it and went as fast as the

1274
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:29,920
car would go and she didn't say whether

1275
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:32,650
it followed her or not and then you know

1276
00:56:36,209 --> 00:56:34,689
she was done with the story and I said

1277
00:56:37,289 --> 00:56:36,219
wow that's really interesting and then

1278
00:56:39,449 --> 00:56:37,299
she goes you know what the weirdest

1279
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:39,459
thing was in the whole situation said

1280
00:56:46,589 --> 00:56:42,880
what she said this owl huge owl came

1281
00:56:49,229 --> 00:56:46,599
right at the windshield and I flipped

1282
00:56:52,410 --> 00:56:49,239
out I said are you kidding me so I

1283
00:56:53,130 --> 00:56:52,420
called I called Mike and I said Mike I'm

1284
00:56:55,019 --> 00:56:53,140
getting this

1285
00:56:57,509 --> 00:56:55,029
I've got her information I don't know if

1286
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:57,519
they ever connected or not but I thought

1287
00:57:04,410 --> 00:57:00,640
that listen a lot of stories like that

1288
00:57:05,729 --> 00:57:04,420
you know and and people loved that what

1289
00:57:08,009 --> 00:57:05,739
you just talked about you know people

1290
00:57:09,959 --> 00:57:08,019
it's almost like a synchronicity that

1291
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:09,969
the researcher actually gets the story

1292
00:57:13,949 --> 00:57:12,130
you know as if like you're just reading

1293
00:57:15,870 --> 00:57:13,959
the right place at the right time

1294
00:57:19,949 --> 00:57:15,880
are you ready to switch gears and talk

1295
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:19,959
about Roswell okay because I I would

1296
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,049
first of all there's been so many

1297
00:57:29,299 --> 00:57:25,599
different you know theories on what

1298
00:57:33,089 --> 00:57:29,309
happens and what happened in Roswell so

1299
00:57:37,049 --> 00:57:33,099
generally speaking the theory that most

1300
00:57:39,779 --> 00:57:37,059
people well I wouldn't say most people

1301
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:39,789
I'm gonna say we'll talk about there's

1302
00:57:44,429 --> 00:57:42,640
the mogul there's you know the weather

1303
00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:44,439
balloon that type of thing then there's

1304
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:48,390
the theory that you know a UFO crashed

1305
00:57:54,209 --> 00:57:51,849
on and Basel

1306
00:57:56,759 --> 00:57:54,219
you know brought debris are brought

1307
00:58:00,539 --> 00:57:56,769
actually brought the sheriff out I think

1308
00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:00,549
first I can't remember but anyway so

1309
00:58:06,350 --> 00:58:04,380
your theory is totally different than

1310
00:58:08,940 --> 00:58:06,360
extraterrestrial

1311
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:08,950
and I'd like to poke some holes in it if

1312
00:58:14,940 --> 00:58:10,450
I can I don't know if I'm gonna be able

1313
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:14,950
to but so can you can you talk about I

1314
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:18,310
know Japan had flown a number of

1315
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:21,610
balloons over are lots and lots of them

1316
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:24,370
trying to sabotage basically the u.s.

1317
00:58:27,930 --> 00:58:26,650
with the prevailing winds and drop you

1318
00:58:32,970 --> 00:58:27,940
know bombs I guess something actually

1319
00:58:35,250 --> 00:58:32,980
did land at one time oh yeah a lot of

1320
00:58:37,860 --> 00:58:35,260
these balloon bombs they're called Fogo

1321
00:58:40,050 --> 00:58:37,870
balloons balloons Fu geo and they were

1322
00:58:43,140 --> 00:58:40,060
sort of a 20 foot 25 foot diameter

1323
00:58:44,970 --> 00:58:43,150
balloons that the Japanese sent over

1324
00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:44,980
during the Second World War and there

1325
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:46,300
were literally thousands of them were

1326
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:49,090
launched and somewhere in the high

1327
00:58:54,930 --> 00:58:51,490
hundreds actually made it to the US and

1328
00:58:56,460 --> 00:58:54,940
fortunately most of them didn't explode

1329
00:58:58,350 --> 00:58:56,470
you know that the bombs were calibrated

1330
00:59:00,960 --> 00:58:58,360
so the balloons would come lower and

1331
00:59:02,970 --> 00:59:00,970
lower as they went over the the jet

1332
00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:02,980
streams it's called from Japan across

1333
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:06,900
the Pacific to the US and people

1334
00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:09,520
reported finding you know this sort of

1335
00:59:15,390 --> 00:59:13,360
balloon debris and we're warned you

1336
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:15,400
don't touch anything and the authorities

1337
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:18,880
would come out and you know recover

1338
00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:21,850
everything and just take it away but

1339
00:59:25,020 --> 00:59:23,470
this obviously weren't man balloons you

1340
00:59:26,820 --> 00:59:25,030
know they were more like a psychological

1341
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:26,830
weapon to try and frighten people they

1342
00:59:30,810 --> 00:59:28,410
didn't actually do that much damage

1343
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:30,820
there were a few deaths but that was

1344
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:33,280
just in one incidence fortunately and

1345
00:59:41,910 --> 00:59:37,450
and but what I talk about in the book is

1346
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:41,920
how in the post-war years what happened

1347
00:59:47,130 --> 00:59:44,290
was well two things was that when the

1348
00:59:50,790 --> 00:59:47,140
war finished classified programs were

1349
00:59:54,420 --> 00:59:50,800
created to bring both German scientists

1350
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:54,430
and Japanese scientists to the US but

1351
00:59:59,310 --> 00:59:56,650
have been doing research into things

1352
01:00:01,080 --> 00:59:59,320
like high-altitude advanced balloons

1353
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:01,090
that the Japanese were particularly

1354
01:00:06,420 --> 01:00:04,450
planning on building and the Nazis who

1355
01:00:09,660 --> 01:00:06,430
are brought over you know with Operation

1356
01:00:12,990 --> 01:00:09,670
Paperclip to continue with their rocket

1357
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:13,000
programs in the United States and so the

1358
01:00:19,230 --> 01:00:16,570
book looks at the the the scenarios and

1359
01:00:21,390 --> 01:00:19,240
theories and data that's been put for

1360
01:00:23,340 --> 01:00:21,400
or word to suggest that what came down

1361
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:23,350
at Roswell was not you know what we

1362
01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:26,290
would call a an alien spacecraft but a

1363
01:00:30,540 --> 01:00:28,750
combination of all this research and

1364
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:30,550
technology captured at the end of the

1365
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:33,280
Second World War and then tested out in

1366
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:35,410
the wilds of New Mexico now of course

1367
01:00:39,660 --> 01:00:37,410
you know it's a very controversial

1368
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:39,670
theory and you're right when you say

1369
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:41,410
there are there are multiple theories so

1370
01:00:45,060 --> 01:00:42,880
what happened at Roswell I mean one of

1371
01:00:47,609 --> 01:00:45,070
the things I point out in the book is

1372
01:00:50,010 --> 01:00:47,619
that there are I think it's either 12 or

1373
01:00:52,170 --> 01:00:50,020
13 now different theories of what

1374
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,180
happened at Roswell and clearly they

1375
01:00:56,670 --> 01:00:53,920
can't all be right you know all we can

1376
01:00:59,010 --> 01:00:56,680
do really is just you just keep digging

1377
01:01:01,859 --> 01:00:59,020
for answers really I mean even I admit

1378
01:01:05,460 --> 01:01:01,869
that you know for every theory that's

1379
01:01:08,010 --> 01:01:05,470
been put forward there really is any

1380
01:01:09,750 --> 01:01:08,020
hard evidence even the Air Force with

1381
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:09,760
when he came up with the idea that what

1382
01:01:14,010 --> 01:01:11,170
was found on the ranch was one of these

1383
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:14,020
gigantic mogul balloons as they recall

1384
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:17,110
they were designed to monitor for the

1385
01:01:22,350 --> 01:01:20,110
Soviet atomic bomb detonations high in

1386
01:01:24,620 --> 01:01:22,360
the atmosphere even the Air Force

1387
01:01:27,090 --> 01:01:24,630
admitted they couldn't find any evidence

1388
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:27,100
documented evidence to prove that theory

1389
01:01:31,290 --> 01:01:28,930
from but from their perspective it was

1390
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:31,300
just a theory and when they said that

1391
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:32,890
the bodies are actually crash test

1392
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:34,720
dummies they also admitted then that

1393
01:01:39,810 --> 01:01:37,330
well we think that's what they are but

1394
01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:39,820
we've got no documented proof to

1395
01:01:45,870 --> 01:01:42,670
actually confirm that so if you know the

1396
01:01:48,510 --> 01:01:45,880
Air Force couldn't find proof actual

1397
01:01:50,849 --> 01:01:48,520
definitive proof you know it's no wonder

1398
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:50,859
that we're finding problems you know

1399
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:52,210
when it comes to actually finding hard

1400
01:01:56,130 --> 01:01:54,130
proof by the way you know that the crash

1401
01:02:00,180 --> 01:01:56,140
test dummies weren't even invented until

1402
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:00,190
like five years after that correctly

1403
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:03,280
operate the the test flights of the

1404
01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:05,770
crash test dummies didn't even begin

1405
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:08,950
until like 1952 and even the guy who ran

1406
01:02:13,830 --> 01:02:10,690
the program it was still alive when that

1407
01:02:16,410 --> 01:02:13,840
theory was put out he said no that was

1408
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,420
nothing to do you know my biggest

1409
01:02:20,070 --> 01:02:18,400
question about Roswell and this has

1410
01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:20,080
really nothing to do with your book but

1411
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:23,950
my biggest question of all was why on

1412
01:02:30,830 --> 01:02:26,530
earth did the Air Force the Army Air

1413
01:02:36,210 --> 01:02:34,290
well I mean because the story I got from

1414
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:36,220
the people I interviewed from my book at

1415
01:02:40,260 --> 01:02:38,110
least was because if this was a

1416
01:02:42,270 --> 01:02:40,270
classified experiment that they weren't

1417
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:42,280
cluded on it they were they didn't have

1418
01:02:46,860 --> 01:02:44,650
a need to know because at the test light

1419
01:02:49,770 --> 01:02:46,870
which went wrong had nothing to do with

1420
01:02:52,140 --> 01:02:49,780
the guys at Roswell and what I was told

1421
01:02:55,620 --> 01:02:52,150
was that this was a flight involving

1422
01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:55,630
sort of like a hybrid device which had

1423
01:03:00,480 --> 01:02:57,760
this gigantic balloon attached to it

1424
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:00,490
with this so-called lifting body

1425
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:03,310
detachable craft below it and there was

1426
01:03:09,210 --> 01:03:05,920
an aerial disaster what happened they

1427
01:03:10,410 --> 01:03:09,220
said was that the the materials came

1428
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:10,420
down on the ranch what happens the

1429
01:03:15,570 --> 01:03:12,850
balloon exploded so it showered down

1430
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:15,580
rain down all this strange debris from

1431
01:03:20,580 --> 01:03:18,490
this advanced balloon and because that

1432
01:03:23,010 --> 01:03:20,590
was very lightweight it came down at an

1433
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:23,020
angle you know taken by the wind to one

1434
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:25,330
part of the ranch but the vehicle itself

1435
01:03:30,180 --> 01:03:27,850
the aircraft which detached was be much

1436
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:30,190
heavier just plummeted to the ground so

1437
01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:32,590
he had to crash sites and because it was

1438
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:34,510
a nighttime flight and a lot of these

1439
01:03:39,540 --> 01:03:37,570
flights he with the legitimate provable

1440
01:03:41,610 --> 01:03:39,550
balloon programs at the time were

1441
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:41,620
carried out at night because during the

1442
01:03:48,660 --> 01:03:45,130
day the the temperature got so high that

1443
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:48,670
these reflecting balloons aluminum

1444
01:03:53,010 --> 01:03:50,290
balloons well that sometimes they

1445
01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:53,020
explode just due to the sheer heat so

1446
01:03:56,850 --> 01:03:54,430
that's why a lot of the flights were

1447
01:04:02,730 --> 01:03:56,860
nighttime ones and the story I got was

1448
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:02,740
that the the program was sort of began

1449
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:06,130
out of like for police in Texas and also

1450
01:04:09,150 --> 01:04:07,810
the White Sands proving ground where a

1451
01:04:12,210 --> 01:04:09,160
lot of the German scientists were

1452
01:04:14,850 --> 01:04:12,220
brought over and when this incident if

1453
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:14,860
you like occurred and the and the the

1454
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:17,290
crash occurred the the military was

1455
01:04:22,140 --> 01:04:19,930
frantically looking around for the

1456
01:04:24,270 --> 01:04:22,150
wreckage they weren't sure exactly where

1457
01:04:26,460 --> 01:04:24,280
it had come down as because again they

1458
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:26,470
didn't you know didn't follow up there

1459
01:04:31,260 --> 01:04:28,810
they anticipated an up and down flight

1460
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:31,270
where it would have come back down you

1461
01:04:38,490 --> 01:04:35,170
know broadly on the on the you know the

1462
01:04:41,730 --> 01:04:38,500
fringes or at least on the installation

1463
01:04:43,470 --> 01:04:41,740
itself at White Sands but what they said

1464
01:04:46,589 --> 01:04:43,480
was that because he

1465
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:46,599
or crash-landed off course the there was

1466
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:48,880
this frantic search for it and in a

1467
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:50,710
worst case scenario the rancher Mac

1468
01:04:56,099 --> 01:04:53,049
Brazel got there before the military

1469
01:04:59,309 --> 01:04:56,109
from white sands and he quickly

1470
01:05:02,549 --> 01:04:59,319
contacted the Sheriff's Office who then

1471
01:05:04,380 --> 01:05:02,559
contacted the guys at Roswell and the

1472
01:05:07,470 --> 01:05:04,390
guys at Roswell put the story out

1473
01:05:09,750 --> 01:05:07,480
legitimately thinking that well maybe we

1474
01:05:11,099 --> 01:05:09,760
found one of those flying sources that

1475
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:11,109
people have been talking about for the

1476
01:05:15,690 --> 01:05:12,640
last three or four days because this was

1477
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:15,700
just barely a week after the first use

1478
01:05:23,099 --> 01:05:20,290
of the term flying saucer and then what

1479
01:05:25,549 --> 01:05:23,109
happened was that the military code that

1480
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:25,559
rim involved in the X in the experiment

1481
01:05:30,210 --> 01:05:27,970
contacted the guys at Roswell and said

1482
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:30,220
why the hell if you put this story out

1483
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:32,770
about a flying saucer coming down and

1484
01:05:37,620 --> 01:05:34,960
they basically said no one told us it

1485
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:37,630
not to say anything about it in other

1486
01:05:42,420 --> 01:05:39,609
words you know they weren't in the know

1487
01:05:44,430 --> 01:05:42,430
but they unilaterally decided to tell

1488
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:44,440
people what it was feeling it was an

1489
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:46,569
important story and that's when you know

1490
01:05:51,210 --> 01:05:48,400
all hell broke loose and the people at

1491
01:05:53,099 --> 01:05:51,220
Roswell like Marcel you know we're told

1492
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:53,109
you should not have done this you know

1493
01:05:58,020 --> 01:05:56,319
it should have been silenced but again

1494
01:05:59,819 --> 01:05:58,030
they were like well no one told us there

1495
01:06:02,789 --> 01:05:59,829
was a classified program going on or we

1496
01:06:04,410 --> 01:06:02,799
wouldn't have said anything so but again

1497
01:06:06,359 --> 01:06:04,420
that's the story told to me by the

1498
01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:06,369
people who said you know it was a

1499
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:09,369
classified experiments but of course I

1500
01:06:15,420 --> 01:06:12,490
even I have to admit you know is it

1501
01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:15,430
possible that theory is disinformation

1502
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:18,670
well it could be in the same way I don't

1503
01:06:21,839 --> 01:06:20,380
think the Air Force would dis informing

1504
01:06:23,970 --> 01:06:21,849
us with their crash-test-dummy

1505
01:06:26,190 --> 01:06:23,980
angle I think they legitimately went

1506
01:06:27,839 --> 01:06:26,200
looking couldn't find anything and

1507
01:06:29,309 --> 01:06:27,849
thought that was the best option but I

1508
01:06:32,670 --> 01:06:29,319
don't think those spreading

1509
01:06:34,650 --> 01:06:32,680
disinformation deliberately but again

1510
01:06:36,809 --> 01:06:34,660
you know it comes down to who's

1511
01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:36,819
witnesses you believe you know do you

1512
01:06:40,170 --> 01:06:38,710
believe the people who said he was crash

1513
01:06:42,030 --> 01:06:40,180
test dummies do you believe the people

1514
01:06:43,260 --> 01:06:42,040
said he was aliens do you believe the

1515
01:06:45,450 --> 01:06:43,270
people who said it was a classified

1516
01:06:46,980 --> 01:06:45,460
experiments do you believe the people

1517
01:06:49,109 --> 01:06:46,990
who said it was Time Traveller's you

1518
01:06:50,849 --> 01:06:49,119
know all those theories coming to play

1519
01:06:54,690 --> 01:06:50,859
with when it comes to Rosen yeah I think

1520
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:54,700
I misunderstood your you're part of the

1521
01:06:59,240 --> 01:06:56,490
theory I didn't read the book

1522
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:59,250
I heard you speak on the topic so I

1523
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:01,200
thought what I was understanding is that

1524
01:07:06,890 --> 01:07:04,410
the Japanese had sent this over but they

1525
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:06,900
were actually are you saying they were

1526
01:07:13,850 --> 01:07:09,210
part of something like Project Paperclip

1527
01:07:16,730 --> 01:07:13,860
and they were here and they were yeah

1528
01:07:18,380 --> 01:07:16,740
okay I'm not talking about Japan sending

1529
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:18,390
something over to the US and then he

1530
01:07:22,510 --> 01:07:20,880
crashes yeah see that's that's where I

1531
01:07:24,859 --> 01:07:22,520
thought I wanted to argue the point

1532
01:07:27,490 --> 01:07:24,869
because I was during the occupation

1533
01:07:30,859 --> 01:07:27,500
I made the war was two years over in

1534
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:30,869
1947 there was no viable Japanese

1535
01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:33,330
military I know but we do know I mean

1536
01:07:37,970 --> 01:07:35,940
for example people you know said that oh

1537
01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:37,980
you know this is Nick Medford's the

1538
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,140
aerial Nick rivers idea a lot of people

1539
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:42,720
don't realize that the story was

1540
01:07:47,300 --> 01:07:45,210
actually put out long before I even

1541
01:07:49,220 --> 01:07:47,310
started looking into it when this is the

1542
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:49,230
second book I've written on this subject

1543
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:52,650
or this theory the first one was body

1544
01:07:57,820 --> 01:07:54,210
snatchers in the desert which came out

1545
01:08:00,050 --> 01:07:57,830
in 2005 and the new one the Roswell UFO

1546
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:00,060
conspiracy which came out earlier this

1547
01:08:07,570 --> 01:08:03,450
year but back in 1999 Popular Mechanics

1548
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:07,580
magazine 97 Popular Mechanics magazine

1549
01:08:13,570 --> 01:08:09,930
they published a story saying that

1550
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:13,580
they've been told of this Japanese

1551
01:08:19,820 --> 01:08:17,600
paperclip type program that involved

1552
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:19,830
newly advanced or highly advanced

1553
01:08:25,220 --> 01:08:22,650
Japanese balloons combined with German

1554
01:08:28,970 --> 01:08:25,230
technology for the craft and that the

1555
01:08:30,620 --> 01:08:28,980
crew the you know the answer to the crew

1556
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:30,630
would be that they were you know sort of

1557
01:08:36,289 --> 01:08:33,600
guinea pig test subjects so to speak and

1558
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:36,299
now again whether or not that's true the

1559
01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:37,890
important thing is that you know the

1560
01:08:44,269 --> 01:08:39,750
same same story that was told to me

1561
01:08:49,730 --> 01:08:44,279
between 2001 and we just a couple years

1562
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:49,740
ago was near identical and one of the

1563
01:08:54,829 --> 01:08:51,150
things a lot of people forget is that

1564
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:54,839
the rancher Mac Brazel I mean and you

1565
01:08:59,180 --> 01:08:56,970
can find his quote in the newspapers he

1566
01:09:01,660 --> 01:08:59,190
said that although he didn't believe

1567
01:09:04,730 --> 01:09:01,670
that what came down on the on the ranch

1568
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,740
was a weather balloon he said he did

1569
01:09:09,410 --> 01:09:06,480
admit that on two previous occasions

1570
01:09:10,129 --> 01:09:09,420
military devices had crashed on the

1571
01:09:12,649 --> 01:09:10,139
ranch

1572
01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:12,659
so you know a lot of people forget that

1573
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:15,060
or don't even know about it that the the

1574
01:09:19,700 --> 01:09:17,580
the pace of land the foster ranch as it

1575
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:19,710
was known back then that where the

1576
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:22,409
wreckage and the debris was found he'd

1577
01:09:27,979 --> 01:09:24,810
already scooped up materials from two

1578
01:09:29,660 --> 01:09:27,989
previous military crashes there so you

1579
01:09:32,689 --> 01:09:29,670
know for me I have to sort of keep that

1580
01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:32,699
in mind you know is it possible that two

1581
01:09:36,919 --> 01:09:34,710
military devices crashed there and then

1582
01:09:40,579 --> 01:09:36,929
a UFO happened to crash there yes it's

1583
01:09:43,249 --> 01:09:40,589
possible for me if two military craft

1584
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:43,259
crashed there which by in is admittance

1585
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:46,290
they did then for me the chances are the

1586
01:09:50,959 --> 01:09:48,239
third one was a military device as well

1587
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:50,969
unless you you know you take the co

1588
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:53,250
incidence angle of the you know the UFO

1589
01:09:58,010 --> 01:09:55,920
crashing down on the same ranchers where

1590
01:10:02,030 --> 01:09:58,020
two previous weather devices had come

1591
01:10:04,340 --> 01:10:02,040
down so again you know it depends who

1592
01:10:06,649 --> 01:10:04,350
whose view you kind of take and whose

1593
01:10:09,229 --> 01:10:06,659
evidence you takers real versus

1594
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,239
disinformation but I think the one thing

1595
01:10:14,359 --> 01:10:11,280
I think we can all agree on when it

1596
01:10:17,660 --> 01:10:14,369
comes to Roswell is that you know the

1597
01:10:20,660 --> 01:10:17,670
longer it goes on and the older the case

1598
01:10:22,850 --> 01:10:20,670
becomes the chances of actually solving

1599
01:10:24,580 --> 01:10:22,860
it again less and less you know it's

1600
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:24,590
becoming almost like an American

1601
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:26,880
equivalent to like Jack the Ripper you

1602
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:28,290
know like this old mystery that

1603
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:30,570
everybody's heard of you know and so

1604
01:10:34,430 --> 01:10:32,130
I've become legendary and they're all

1605
01:10:37,070 --> 01:10:34,440
different theories and you've kind of

1606
01:10:40,430 --> 01:10:37,080
got that going on with Roswell now where

1607
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:40,440
even the children who were around back

1608
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:43,440
then and now dying off I mean if you

1609
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:45,810
think to give sort of perfect example of

1610
01:10:52,100 --> 01:10:48,449
how long ago it was you know if you had

1611
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,110
to say a 21 year old guard you know

1612
01:10:56,359 --> 01:10:54,239
standing guard over the wreckage out of

1613
01:11:00,050 --> 01:10:56,369
the ranch 21 years old when this

1614
01:11:01,430 --> 01:11:00,060
occurred today that guy would be 91 you

1615
01:11:05,450 --> 01:11:01,440
know when you think me like that that's

1616
01:11:08,689 --> 01:11:05,460
how long ago this was so with a complete

1617
01:11:13,939 --> 01:11:08,699
absence of any kind of documentation no

1618
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:13,949
photos from the time and just word of

1619
01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:16,130
mouth and pretty much everybody's gone

1620
01:11:20,959 --> 01:11:19,500
you know it's it's sort of sliding into

1621
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:20,969
what I call that sort of Jack the Ripper

1622
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:23,460
territory where it becomes not something

1623
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:23,970
didn't happen

1624
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:27,090
but he becomes like a legend you know he

1625
01:11:30,710 --> 01:11:29,070
rather than a factual event now it was

1626
01:11:32,690 --> 01:11:30,720
effective actual event in the same way

1627
01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:32,700
that Jack the Ripper was a factual event

1628
01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:35,940
or series of events but it takes on

1629
01:11:45,710 --> 01:11:41,580
almost like a legendary failing to it if

1630
01:11:48,020 --> 01:11:45,720
you like primarily because it is so old

1631
01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:48,030
and you know it becomes part of like

1632
01:11:51,410 --> 01:11:49,860
Americana you know sort of like a

1633
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:51,420
folklore even though it actually wasn't

1634
01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:54,930
offense and I think it'll become harder

1635
01:11:58,130 --> 01:11:56,760
and harder to decipher you know think

1636
01:12:00,980 --> 01:11:58,140
about what will happen a hundred years

1637
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:00,990
from now when it comes to Roswell now

1638
01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:05,760
has anyone testable incompetent if we

1639
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:12,360
have to oblivion now has anyone tried to

1640
01:12:20,420 --> 01:12:16,410
get a fo a a foyer that is a Freedom of

1641
01:12:23,060 --> 01:12:20,430
Information Act documents regarding your

1642
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:23,070
side are your thoughts in other words

1643
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:26,490
you said White Sands was out looking for

1644
01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:29,040
the object does anyone try to find out

1645
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:31,620
if there's any documentation that this

1646
01:12:38,990 --> 01:12:35,970
was going on well again it's like with

1647
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:39,000
the crash test dummies stories the Mogul

1648
01:12:46,010 --> 01:12:41,850
balloons in the UFO angle there's no

1649
01:12:49,310 --> 01:12:46,020
documentation of any kind on Roswell

1650
01:12:54,340 --> 01:12:49,320
at all except for two one-page documents

1651
01:12:57,170 --> 01:12:54,350
released by the FBI in the 1990s which

1652
01:12:59,480 --> 01:12:57,180
essentially based upon existing

1653
01:13:02,120 --> 01:12:59,490
newspaper reports so that there's

1654
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:02,130
nothing else at all anywhere relative to

1655
01:13:06,580 --> 01:13:04,530
Roswell the events now what is

1656
01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:06,590
interesting is that when the Air Force

1657
01:13:14,300 --> 01:13:11,580
went looking in 1993 and 1994 for the

1658
01:13:18,910 --> 01:13:14,310
answers to what happened at Roswell and

1659
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:18,920
this was basically based around the the

1660
01:13:24,590 --> 01:13:21,840
not so much the order but the plan that

1661
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:24,600
the New Mexico representative at the

1662
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:27,360
time Steven Schiff he got interested in

1663
01:13:31,610 --> 01:13:30,330
Roswell and he approached what now is

1664
01:13:33,860 --> 01:13:31,620
called the Government Accountability

1665
01:13:36,110 --> 01:13:33,870
Office but back then it was called the

1666
01:13:37,490 --> 01:13:36,120
General Accounting Office and they're

1667
01:13:39,710 --> 01:13:37,500
very powerful GRU

1668
01:13:41,630 --> 01:13:39,720
within the government switch if you want

1669
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:41,640
you know answers from a government

1670
01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:44,310
agency the GAO can go in and say look we

1671
01:13:49,090 --> 01:13:46,380
want the files on this they've been

1672
01:13:51,170 --> 01:13:49,100
requesting and you know you're hereby

1673
01:13:53,930 --> 01:13:51,180
ordered to hand over anything you've got

1674
01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:53,940
this order went out from the GAO to the

1675
01:14:00,200 --> 01:13:56,580
Air Force the army the Navy the CIA dia

1676
01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:00,210
NSA Department of Defense everywhere and

1677
01:14:04,910 --> 01:14:03,300
apart from those 2-1 pages of which

1678
01:14:08,090 --> 01:14:04,920
essentially didn't tell us anything new

1679
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:08,100
from the FBI nothing surfaced but what

1680
01:14:13,460 --> 01:14:10,080
what he's interested is what didn't

1681
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:13,470
surface the Air Force in it's 1994

1682
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:15,360
report revealed that when it went

1683
01:14:21,550 --> 01:14:19,050
looking for the files from Roswell in

1684
01:14:25,580 --> 01:14:21,560
1947 he found that all the outgoing

1685
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:25,590
messages from the base active of 45 to

1686
01:14:31,940 --> 01:14:29,130
51 were gone and nobody could find them

1687
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:31,950
and there was no paperwork to explain

1688
01:14:37,310 --> 01:14:35,130
how or why the documents have vanished

1689
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:37,320
only that they'd all gone and they have

1690
01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:40,080
never been seen since we don't know if

1691
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:42,420
those files were pulled back in the 40s

1692
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:46,410
or the early 50s or the 60s or 24 hours

1693
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,850
you know before the Air Force went

1694
01:14:51,940 --> 01:14:49,440
looking but somebody grabbed them we

1695
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:51,950
don't know but so in other words

1696
01:14:58,670 --> 01:14:55,050
whatever happened at Roswell has been an

1697
01:15:01,400 --> 01:14:58,680
extremely good program has been put into

1698
01:15:03,980 --> 01:15:01,410
place to try and prevent anybody from

1699
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:03,990
getting the answers including senator

1700
01:15:11,450 --> 01:15:04,560
Schiff

1701
01:15:13,700 --> 01:15:11,460
Force so you know if even the Air Force

1702
01:15:16,370 --> 01:15:13,710
was prevented from finding the answer

1703
01:15:18,410 --> 01:15:16,380
then that kind of makes you wonder well

1704
01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:18,420
how far and how deep does this

1705
01:15:25,370 --> 01:15:22,020
conspiracy grow you know who or what

1706
01:15:29,060 --> 01:15:25,380
agency could be so powerful that it's

1707
01:15:32,410 --> 01:15:29,070
actively and successfully managed to

1708
01:15:35,060 --> 01:15:32,420
hide the entirety of the evidence

1709
01:15:35,780 --> 01:15:35,070
forever you know that literally nothing

1710
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:35,790
has surfaced

1711
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:39,810
why would something like this be so

1712
01:15:48,650 --> 01:15:44,850
top-secret if it was an experiment you

1713
01:15:51,169 --> 01:15:48,660
mean oh well the story that I got was

1714
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:51,179
that the the technology wasn't

1715
01:15:58,129 --> 01:15:54,090
advanced we're talking about not exactly

1716
01:16:00,830 --> 01:15:58,139
regular balloons but basically alumina

1717
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:00,840
aluminum coated polyethylene balloons

1718
01:16:05,719 --> 01:16:02,489
which were fairly new them but which are

1719
01:16:07,879 --> 01:16:05,729
more sturdy and they said that the the

1720
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:07,889
technology was not that advanced I mean

1721
01:16:13,819 --> 01:16:11,280
we're talking about sort of the lifting

1722
01:16:17,029 --> 01:16:13,829
body glider type devices which would be

1723
01:16:20,179 --> 01:16:17,039
attached to these giant balloons now

1724
01:16:21,979 --> 01:16:20,189
these balloons would go right to the

1725
01:16:23,689 --> 01:16:21,989
sort of the edge of the stratosphere you

1726
01:16:25,580 --> 01:16:23,699
know we're talking about you know as

1727
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:25,590
high as you can sort of go before you

1728
01:16:29,419 --> 01:16:27,449
start to reach the fringes about a space

1729
01:16:32,569 --> 01:16:29,429
now of course we didn't get that far

1730
01:16:34,910 --> 01:16:32,579
back in 47 but certainly you know we got

1731
01:16:38,419 --> 01:16:34,920
really you know high up I mean extremely

1732
01:16:40,729 --> 01:16:38,429
high and a great deal of research wasn't

1733
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:40,739
known about how the human body would

1734
01:16:48,379 --> 01:16:44,880
react to things like exposure to high

1735
01:16:50,929 --> 01:16:48,389
altitudes cosmic rays things like that

1736
01:16:54,129 --> 01:16:50,939
and so the story given to me was that

1737
01:16:56,299 --> 01:16:54,139
what happened was a number of people

1738
01:16:58,939 --> 01:16:56,309
against their wills were essentially

1739
01:17:03,109 --> 01:16:58,949
used as like human guinea pigs in these

1740
01:17:05,929 --> 01:17:03,119
high-altitude experiments and I was told

1741
01:17:08,989 --> 01:17:05,939
that the main reasons why this story was

1742
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:08,999
hidden wasn't for the technology but it

1743
01:17:14,179 --> 01:17:11,280
was just if a story came out it would

1744
01:17:17,379 --> 01:17:14,189
show that number one paper being used in

1745
01:17:19,759 --> 01:17:17,389
these human guinea pig test subjects

1746
01:17:22,339 --> 01:17:19,769
experiments but it would also show that

1747
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,349
only just barely two years after we

1748
01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:24,239
defeated the Japanese we'd entered into

1749
01:17:29,839 --> 01:17:26,670
sort of a secret pact with them you know

1750
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:29,849
to utilize their technology now although

1751
01:17:35,390 --> 01:17:32,159
nothing is surfaced on Roswell in

1752
01:17:37,790 --> 01:17:35,400
relation to the Japanese angle a lot of

1753
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,800
the files which do talk about how the

1754
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:39,840
Japanese balloon technology was brought

1755
01:17:44,750 --> 01:17:41,610
over to the US you can actually read

1756
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:44,760
them at the National Archives in Mara or

1757
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:46,530
you can go onto their website and

1758
01:17:52,929 --> 01:17:49,530
download them as PDFs there's a section

1759
01:17:55,580 --> 01:17:52,939
of the National Archives website for

1760
01:17:57,379 --> 01:17:55,590
Japanese and German war crimes and if

1761
01:17:59,929 --> 01:17:57,389
you can find that section you can

1762
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:59,939
download all the Japanese material that

1763
01:18:03,709 --> 01:18:01,679
was brought over well not all of you

1764
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:03,719
because there's no Roswell material if

1765
01:18:08,919 --> 01:18:06,080
the story is true

1766
01:18:11,410 --> 01:18:08,929
so that's basically what it came down to

1767
01:18:14,350 --> 01:18:11,420
as I was told in terms of why the

1768
01:18:16,810 --> 01:18:14,360
secrecy existed not because of what was

1769
01:18:19,390 --> 01:18:16,820
found but because of the ramifications

1770
01:18:23,050 --> 01:18:19,400
of things like war crimes and you know

1771
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:23,060
certain people being given sort of a

1772
01:18:26,979 --> 01:18:25,489
deal that's okay you show us the

1773
01:18:29,229 --> 01:18:26,989
technology you've got you hand it over

1774
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:29,239
and you don't do 30 years for war crimes

1775
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:33,280
you know what about say the situation of

1776
01:18:40,629 --> 01:18:37,850
Glenn Dennis who who was an important he

1777
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:40,639
said that he was you know I don't know

1778
01:18:48,010 --> 01:18:45,650
how truthful his testimony was but he

1779
01:18:50,169 --> 01:18:48,020
was saying that he was told to order

1780
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:50,179
these small coffins how fast could he

1781
01:18:54,610 --> 01:18:53,210
get them there and plus of the nurse

1782
01:18:58,979 --> 01:18:54,620
that he claims to have had a

1783
01:19:01,930 --> 01:18:58,989
relationship with that was involved in a

1784
01:19:04,810 --> 01:19:01,940
autopsy who was totally traumatized

1785
01:19:06,970 --> 01:19:04,820
according to him and ended up you know

1786
01:19:08,919 --> 01:19:06,980
leaving he never saw her again and she

1787
01:19:12,129 --> 01:19:08,929
died and all that and some type of

1788
01:19:14,830 --> 01:19:12,139
strange incident again I don't even know

1789
01:19:18,220 --> 01:19:14,840
if they ever named in the nurse but have

1790
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:18,230
you ever looked into that part yeah the

1791
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:20,570
problem was I mean glad Dennis is dead

1792
01:19:24,580 --> 01:19:22,489
now you know so unfortunately he's not

1793
01:19:26,169 --> 01:19:24,590
here to sort of you know give his side

1794
01:19:28,270 --> 01:19:26,179
of the story anymore

1795
01:19:31,149 --> 01:19:28,280
you know and it's never a good thing to

1796
01:19:33,209 --> 01:19:31,159
sort of you know when you can't when you

1797
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:33,219
come you know present the person and

1798
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:35,840
speak to them but I mean what I would

1799
01:19:41,169 --> 01:19:38,810
say is that I mean Kevin Randall who's

1800
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:41,179
you know for years championed the

1801
01:19:45,850 --> 01:19:43,280
extra-terrestrial angle Kevin has washed

1802
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:45,860
his hands of the now he's washed his

1803
01:19:51,399 --> 01:19:47,510
hands at the Glen Denny's story and

1804
01:19:54,610 --> 01:19:51,409
doesn't feel you know it has any value

1805
01:19:56,500 --> 01:19:54,620
anymore also the story of Frank Gore and

1806
01:20:00,129 --> 01:19:56,510
another one who for a number of years

1807
01:20:02,229 --> 01:20:00,139
that Kevin supported his story now feels

1808
01:20:04,780 --> 01:20:02,239
of that account doesn't have any merit

1809
01:20:07,899 --> 01:20:04,790
to it either now of course that doesn't

1810
01:20:09,820 --> 01:20:07,909
help my case because they talked about

1811
01:20:11,500 --> 01:20:09,830
bodies and if you know if they weren't

1812
01:20:13,450 --> 01:20:11,510
telling the truth about the bodies then

1813
01:20:15,610 --> 01:20:13,460
you know you can apply that to the

1814
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:15,620
Japanese bodies as well so you know

1815
01:20:18,110 --> 01:20:17,690
doesn't help my position that he may

1816
01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:18,120
have

1817
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:20,340
you know fabricated historic you know I

1818
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:25,890
don't take any you know any sense of you

1819
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:27,570
know failing that that he adds weight to

1820
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:31,110
my store it actually doesn't but again

1821
01:20:33,890 --> 01:20:32,610
you know this is the problem that we

1822
01:20:36,290 --> 01:20:33,900
have we're you know we have a

1823
01:20:38,060 --> 01:20:36,300
fascinating story but we achieve and

1824
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:38,070
some of the Roswell researchers then

1825
01:20:44,330 --> 01:20:41,910
come to doubt but in saying that you

1826
01:20:47,420 --> 01:20:44,340
know there are people whose who claims

1827
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:47,430
have seen bodies and you know and their

1828
01:20:53,090 --> 01:20:50,130
stories have stood the test of time so

1829
01:20:55,060 --> 01:20:53,100
but again the problem is how do we solve

1830
01:20:57,680 --> 01:20:55,070
it you know what happens to the bodies

1831
01:21:02,660 --> 01:20:57,690
where do they go to did I still exist

1832
01:21:05,330 --> 01:21:02,670
now I think if if a UFO crashed then of

1833
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,340
course all the evidence is going to be

1834
01:21:09,730 --> 01:21:07,920
preserved I mean if they were alien

1835
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:09,740
beings then there would have been

1836
01:21:14,060 --> 01:21:11,970
autopsies there would have been studies

1837
01:21:16,730 --> 01:21:14,070
of the biology and you know all the

1838
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:16,740
organs there were a massive you know

1839
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:19,170
autopsy reports thousands and thousands

1840
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:21,360
of pages that would never ever be

1841
01:21:24,980 --> 01:21:22,980
destroyed it would be so valuable and

1842
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:24,990
that'd be the same for the for the craft

1843
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:27,360
but what the people I interviewed tell

1844
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:29,520
me was that most of these experiments

1845
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:30,960
they said there was roughly seven or

1846
01:21:36,410 --> 01:21:32,730
eight the day knew of that went on in

1847
01:21:38,690 --> 01:21:36,420
New Mexico in 1947 they didn't learn

1848
01:21:41,150 --> 01:21:38,700
much from these high-altitude exposure

1849
01:21:44,690 --> 01:21:41,160
experiments and because there was this

1850
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,700
sort of gray area of some of these

1851
01:21:50,330 --> 01:21:46,560
experiments perceived as being not

1852
01:21:52,580 --> 01:21:50,340
entirely legal and ethical to protect

1853
01:21:54,290 --> 01:21:52,590
everybody they said everything was

1854
01:21:56,630 --> 01:21:54,300
destroyed that the way they viewed it

1855
01:21:58,700 --> 01:21:56,640
there was no point keeping the balloon

1856
01:22:01,190 --> 01:21:58,710
debris there was no point keeping the

1857
01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:01,200
wreck craft and what would be the point

1858
01:22:07,070 --> 01:22:05,250
of preserving the bodies of a number of

1859
01:22:09,050 --> 01:22:07,080
people used in guinea pig flights when

1860
01:22:11,540 --> 01:22:09,060
he didn't prove anything and they said

1861
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:11,550
that everything was destroyed to protect

1862
01:22:18,620 --> 01:22:15,960
the guilty so to speak so if so there

1863
01:22:20,300 --> 01:22:18,630
are two scenarios as I see if a UFO

1864
01:22:22,220 --> 01:22:20,310
crashed which I don't rule out you know

1865
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:22,230
as I said I could never prove that I

1866
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:24,510
wasn't light but what I would say is

1867
01:22:30,860 --> 01:22:28,170
that if it was a UFO we have a great

1868
01:22:32,060 --> 01:22:30,870
chance one day of possibly solving it

1869
01:22:33,770 --> 01:22:32,070
because all this material

1870
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:33,780
would be hidden away and all the

1871
01:22:38,330 --> 01:22:35,130
documents and photographs would be

1872
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:38,340
hidden away if however it was a dark and

1873
01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:40,170
dirty secret that somebody said we've

1874
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:42,450
got to get rid of everything then it's

1875
01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:45,030
possible there actually is no evidence

1876
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:46,980
left there's nothing other than old

1877
01:22:51,860 --> 01:22:49,650
memories and that would be kind of

1878
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:51,870
depressing because even if that was the

1879
01:22:56,930 --> 01:22:53,970
answer it would be unable we'd be unable

1880
01:22:59,090 --> 01:22:56,940
to prove it so I think the only way we

1881
01:23:00,980 --> 01:22:59,100
can prove it is if it was actually

1882
01:23:02,690 --> 01:23:00,990
terrestrial because it would be common

1883
01:23:06,170 --> 01:23:02,700
sense that all that would be can right

1884
01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:06,180
now what about the alleged mystery metal

1885
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:09,060
the memory metal that so many different

1886
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:11,330
I think a number of people talked about

1887
01:23:16,130 --> 01:23:14,010
how you know you couldn't destroy it

1888
01:23:18,140 --> 01:23:16,140
although the one thing I've always

1889
01:23:20,090 --> 01:23:18,150
thought about that is if you couldn't

1890
01:23:24,020 --> 01:23:20,100
destroy it why was it burst all over the

1891
01:23:26,330 --> 01:23:24,030
place you know in little pieces yeah I

1892
01:23:28,910 --> 01:23:26,340
mean admittedly even I have to admit you

1893
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:28,920
know that the the so-called memory metal

1894
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:31,890
angrily is a really interesting one now

1895
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:34,290
again the people I interviewed and for

1896
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:36,090
people who aren't aware of the research

1897
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:39,360
have done into this over since 2001

1898
01:23:43,940 --> 01:23:41,010
until I like I said a company years ago

1899
01:23:45,470 --> 01:23:43,950
I spoke to a lot of old-timers from the

1900
01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:45,480
intelligence world of them and the

1901
01:23:49,940 --> 01:23:48,510
military who basically said and some of

1902
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:49,950
them knew each other and basically said

1903
01:23:53,540 --> 01:23:51,960
they wanted to sort of you know get

1904
01:23:56,510 --> 01:23:53,550
things off their chests and tell what

1905
01:23:58,760 --> 01:23:56,520
they knew now of course you know I'm not

1906
01:24:00,530 --> 01:23:58,770
stupid and you know it's important I

1907
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:00,540
don't have to noted in both the books

1908
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:03,570
I've done on this subject 30 even I

1909
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:05,520
can't rule out the idea that this was a

1910
01:24:10,190 --> 01:24:08,400
deception to hide the idea that aliens

1911
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:10,200
really did crash you know I'm not on

1912
01:24:15,860 --> 01:24:13,530
some sort of rants or campaign to

1913
01:24:18,860 --> 01:24:15,870
convince people aliens didn't crash I

1914
01:24:21,620 --> 01:24:18,870
can only present what I uncovered and

1915
01:24:24,140 --> 01:24:21,630
put it out and then hope you know or we

1916
01:24:26,270 --> 01:24:24,150
just see where the story goes but in

1917
01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:26,280
terms of the memory metal I mean one of

1918
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:28,440
the things I would say is that this

1919
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:31,650
doesn't this doesn't fully explain the

1920
01:24:37,820 --> 01:24:34,320
memory metal but what I would say that

1921
01:24:42,500 --> 01:24:37,830
it may not be coincidence but up until

1922
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:42,510
the early part of 1947 the lot of the

1923
01:24:49,700 --> 01:24:45,570
Bulow's of the military flew

1924
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:49,710
called polyethylene balloons now when

1925
01:24:54,020 --> 01:24:51,770
they started flying these high-altitude

1926
01:24:57,649 --> 01:24:54,030
legitimate programs I mean what we can

1927
01:25:00,290 --> 01:24:57,659
prove existed in 47 in New Mexico they

1928
01:25:02,930 --> 01:25:00,300
still use these polyethylene balloons

1929
01:25:05,660 --> 01:25:02,940
but they were laminated with aluminum

1930
01:25:08,510 --> 01:25:05,670
and most people had not seen them before

1931
01:25:11,689 --> 01:25:08,520
and if you take a piece of one of those

1932
01:25:13,819 --> 01:25:11,699
balloons be the polyethylene laminated

1933
01:25:17,649 --> 01:25:13,829
with the aluminum now you can't call it

1934
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:17,659
memory metal but it does flex back now

1935
01:25:21,950 --> 01:25:20,159
you know on the one hand people are

1936
01:25:25,550 --> 01:25:21,960
gonna say well now they the witnesses

1937
01:25:28,069 --> 01:25:25,560
described how you know it returned to

1938
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:28,079
its original shape with no crazies or

1939
01:25:31,550 --> 01:25:29,760
anything and if that's true you know

1940
01:25:34,459 --> 01:25:31,560
that's a problem that's problematic for

1941
01:25:36,890 --> 01:25:34,469
all theories apart from the 81 if

1942
01:25:40,189 --> 01:25:36,900
however they were seeing something they

1943
01:25:42,589 --> 01:25:40,199
still found weird but which was just the

1944
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:42,599
little laminated with aluminum balloons

1945
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:45,210
then they may remembered them has been

1946
01:25:51,020 --> 01:25:47,010
somewhat different to what they've seen

1947
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:51,030
back in 45 or 46 does that prove you

1948
01:25:56,660 --> 01:25:53,610
know the that it's a again like a

1949
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:56,670
military experiment no it doesn't but

1950
01:26:02,120 --> 01:25:58,800
you know even I have to admit that the

1951
01:26:06,500 --> 01:26:02,130
memory metal is the one aspect more than

1952
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:06,510
any other that you know could confirm

1953
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,810
Roswell as extraterrestrial if you know

1954
01:26:12,919 --> 01:26:11,280
when the witness is saying that it

1955
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:12,929
couldn't be burns it couldn't be

1956
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:16,170
scratched etc etc but then like you said

1957
01:26:20,810 --> 01:26:18,090
you know these the issue of the fact

1958
01:26:24,530 --> 01:26:20,820
that there was sort of a 600 foot wide

1959
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:24,540
long tabret failed so clearly this

1960
01:26:30,649 --> 01:26:29,040
material could be broken you know and so

1961
01:26:33,109 --> 01:26:30,659
again you know a lot of questions a lot

1962
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:33,119
of theories and and a lot a lot of

1963
01:26:38,990 --> 01:26:35,489
confusion at the end of it and along

1964
01:26:42,020 --> 01:26:39,000
those same lines of the military

1965
01:26:45,589 --> 01:26:42,030
supposedly and I think this came through

1966
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:45,599
witnesses had to scour and pick up every

1967
01:26:50,780 --> 01:26:47,730
single little teeny piece of it that's

1968
01:26:54,410 --> 01:26:50,790
kind of suspicious too as far as uh you

1969
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:54,420
know this whole thing goes well well

1970
01:26:59,060 --> 01:26:56,880
yeah I mean that I don't doubt happen

1971
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:59,070
whatever the wreckage was I don't doubt

1972
01:27:03,140 --> 01:26:59,520
that was

1973
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:03,150
all collected now as I didn't get sort

1974
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,890
of you know a firm answer on that as to

1975
01:27:09,370 --> 01:27:06,480
why you know they would have collected

1976
01:27:12,860 --> 01:27:09,380
it all up except for the fact that

1977
01:27:15,650 --> 01:27:12,870
supposedly they were concerned as to if

1978
01:27:17,930 --> 01:27:15,660
the story got out as to you know this

1979
01:27:18,950 --> 01:27:17,940
sort of human guinea pig experiments if

1980
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:18,960
he got out

1981
01:27:25,130 --> 01:27:21,810
you know the ramifications would be huge

1982
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:25,140
so they decided to ensure that nothing

1983
01:27:30,260 --> 01:27:27,570
was ever left you know the bodies the

1984
01:27:32,930 --> 01:27:30,270
wreckage the papers were destroyed so

1985
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:32,940
you know if that scenario is correct you

1986
01:27:38,030 --> 01:27:35,510
know you could make a case that the

1987
01:27:41,660 --> 01:27:38,040
every bit of the foil and wreckage was

1988
01:27:46,270 --> 01:27:41,670
collected purely and simply to to ensure

1989
01:27:49,340 --> 01:27:46,280
that every paper trail of every aspect

1990
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:49,350
you know it was it was taken care of

1991
01:27:57,230 --> 01:27:51,840
them right right okay

1992
01:28:00,410 --> 01:27:57,240
now the one thing also that I think

1993
01:28:05,420 --> 01:28:00,420
about when it comes to Roswell that his

1994
01:28:10,180 --> 01:28:05,430
kind of bizarre is okay after 19 or 1980

1995
01:28:14,030 --> 01:28:10,190
whenever you know Stan Friedman and Bill

1996
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,040
what's-his-name yeah well well and all

1997
01:28:18,710 --> 01:28:16,320
these you know the story basically broke

1998
01:28:21,620 --> 01:28:18,720
and it was in you know one of the

1999
01:28:22,940 --> 01:28:21,630
tabloids you know it came out well

2000
01:28:28,190 --> 01:28:22,950
people started to come forward right

2001
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:28,200
away that were involved and I forget how

2002
01:28:32,630 --> 01:28:30,930
many witnesses I've heard you know up to

2003
01:28:34,910 --> 01:28:32,640
600 but I don't know if that's true or

2004
01:28:37,070 --> 01:28:34,920
not but these witnesses started coming

2005
01:28:38,570 --> 01:28:37,080
forward and so the question I have for

2006
01:28:40,730 --> 01:28:38,580
you is how come you didn't hear about

2007
01:28:45,470 --> 01:28:40,740
any witnesses coming forward with your

2008
01:28:48,620 --> 01:28:45,480
theory well we get it as I said that

2009
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:48,630
that the problem is that the people who

2010
01:28:54,590 --> 01:28:52,320
I spoke to said that the fear of God

2011
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:54,600
have been put them too in them to such a

2012
01:29:00,200 --> 01:28:57,210
degree the ones who are actually in the

2013
01:29:02,690 --> 01:29:00,210
know and to the point where there are

2014
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:02,700
you know faithful of their lives now if

2015
01:29:07,970 --> 01:29:04,610
you look at the people who spoke out

2016
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:07,980
about the UFO angle they were people who

2017
01:29:11,380 --> 01:29:09,690
buy their own admittance you know may

2018
01:29:13,459 --> 01:29:11,390
have been guards out at the crash site

2019
01:29:15,100 --> 01:29:13,469
didn't really know what had happened

2020
01:29:17,419 --> 01:29:15,110
but they were told to get out there and

2021
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:17,429
secure this area and some of them saw

2022
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:18,690
the wreckage and some of them saw the

2023
01:29:24,500 --> 01:29:21,570
bodies but they were you know they were

2024
01:29:26,779 --> 01:29:24,510
no wise as to what happened then say the

2025
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:26,789
rancher Brazel was you know it's absurd

2026
01:29:30,770 --> 01:29:29,280
to think that or you know hundreds of

2027
01:29:33,049 --> 01:29:30,780
guys from the Roswell base would be

2028
01:29:34,459 --> 01:29:33,059
taken out there and they would be told a

2029
01:29:36,589 --> 01:29:34,469
false story what happened

2030
01:29:39,109 --> 01:29:36,599
that's not how secrets are kept you know

2031
01:29:41,839 --> 01:29:39,119
secrets are kept by keeping even your

2032
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:41,849
own guys just give them the information

2033
01:29:46,609 --> 01:29:44,130
they need to know all they needed to

2034
01:29:49,279 --> 01:29:46,619
know was you guard this site you correct

2035
01:29:50,930 --> 01:29:49,289
them collect this wreckage if you find

2036
01:29:55,310 --> 01:29:50,940
anything that resembles a body or a body

2037
01:29:57,109 --> 01:29:55,320
Park report to Colonel Smith and Larry

2038
01:30:00,379 --> 01:29:57,119
you know put it in his hand so in other

2039
01:30:04,669 --> 01:30:00,389
words the people who came forward you

2040
01:30:06,770 --> 01:30:04,679
know in the wake of Bill Moore etc they

2041
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:06,780
were no wise as to what happened than

2042
01:30:11,629 --> 01:30:09,360
anybody else because they were like the

2043
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:11,639
second layer of witnesses the people who

2044
01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:13,530
were ordered to go out to recover

2045
01:30:19,459 --> 01:30:15,329
everything they weren't the people who

2046
01:30:21,979 --> 01:30:19,469
took part or who coordinated experiments

2047
01:30:25,299 --> 01:30:21,989
the people who I spoke to claimed to be

2048
01:30:27,799 --> 01:30:25,309
the ones who knew the full story and

2049
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:27,809
basically said that they it wasn't not

2050
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:29,610
until their so the latter days or for

2051
01:30:34,729 --> 01:30:32,130
even close to final days that they

2052
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:34,739
decided to go public or at least public

2053
01:30:41,149 --> 01:30:38,239
to a degree because up until that point

2054
01:30:43,509 --> 01:30:41,159
knowing what they said was the true and

2055
01:30:46,729 --> 01:30:43,519
false story could have got them killed

2056
01:30:48,290 --> 01:30:46,739
nobody's going to kill somebody who was

2057
01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:48,300
in the military who happened to see some

2058
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:50,070
strange wreckage on the ground because

2059
01:30:55,310 --> 01:30:52,320
that would just make people look into it

2060
01:30:57,140 --> 01:30:55,320
even further so you know there's no need

2061
01:30:58,879 --> 01:30:57,150
to take action against those people the

2062
01:31:00,430 --> 01:30:58,889
only ones who action would be taken

2063
01:31:04,700 --> 01:31:00,440
against would be somebody who had

2064
01:31:07,969 --> 01:31:04,710
arguably something really inflammatory

2065
01:31:11,209 --> 01:31:07,979
and dangerous so you know that was their

2066
01:31:14,029 --> 01:31:11,219
arguments as to why nobody came forward

2067
01:31:15,709 --> 01:31:14,039
with this angle before because those are

2068
01:31:17,989 --> 01:31:15,719
actually even oh we're too terrified to

2069
01:31:19,489 --> 01:31:17,999
reveal what they knew in case you know

2070
01:31:21,859 --> 01:31:19,499
they were killed or their family was

2071
01:31:25,069 --> 01:31:21,869
threatened and so they stayed silent

2072
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:25,079
I still don't better tech the story did

2073
01:31:29,930 --> 01:31:27,360
come out long before mine I mean

2074
01:31:32,810 --> 01:31:29,940
1997 Popular Mechanics and you can find

2075
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:32,820
their story online was yeah exactly

2076
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:35,250
exactly the same story is told to me

2077
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:37,920
Leonard Stringfield a well-known UFO

2078
01:31:42,109 --> 01:31:40,530
researcher he published the same story

2079
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:42,119
although he didn't endorse it he

2080
01:31:46,850 --> 01:31:45,360
published the story in 1991 in his one

2081
01:31:50,510 --> 01:31:46,860
of his status reports as they were

2082
01:31:52,970 --> 01:31:50,520
called so the other angle of course is I

2083
01:31:55,729 --> 01:31:52,980
know now looking about retrospectively

2084
01:31:58,340 --> 01:31:55,739
but a number of UFO researchers were

2085
01:32:00,350 --> 01:31:58,350
also given the story years ago but they

2086
01:32:03,109 --> 01:32:00,360
chose not to publish it because they

2087
01:32:04,790 --> 01:32:03,119
didn't like what they were hearing you

2088
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:04,800
know and so they were very driven by

2089
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:07,199
that kind of I want to believe factor or

2090
01:32:12,590 --> 01:32:10,320
I want a disbelieve factor so a lot of

2091
01:32:15,410 --> 01:32:12,600
researchers say a lot but some

2092
01:32:17,450 --> 01:32:15,420
researchers who got the story did

2093
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:17,460
legitimately receive the story years ago

2094
01:32:21,890 --> 01:32:19,770
but just did not want to put it out I

2095
01:32:24,770 --> 01:32:21,900
know in a couple of cases the reason why

2096
01:32:26,570 --> 01:32:24,780
was because they were fearful of being

2097
01:32:29,060 --> 01:32:26,580
kicked off the lecture circuit or not

2098
01:32:32,359 --> 01:32:29,070
being in with the right crowd anymore

2099
01:32:34,370 --> 01:32:32,369
because they dare to suggest Roswell as

2100
01:32:36,950 --> 01:32:34,380
a UFO event didn't happen but from my

2101
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:36,960
perspective you know I don't care what

2102
01:32:40,910 --> 01:32:39,210
people think you know if he gets me

2103
01:32:43,370 --> 01:32:40,920
thrown off the lecture circuit from this

2104
01:32:47,060 --> 01:32:43,380
group or that group that's too bad you

2105
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:47,070
know any people want to confront me at

2106
01:32:50,780 --> 01:32:50,130
an events you know and he gets raised at

2107
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:50,790
a conference

2108
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:53,010
you know confrontational I don't care

2109
01:32:57,109 --> 01:32:55,440
you know I'm gonna say what I found and

2110
01:32:59,780 --> 01:32:57,119
put it out and you know I don't care

2111
01:33:02,090 --> 01:32:59,790
about the ramifications people like it

2112
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:02,100
fine if people don't like it ain't gonna

2113
01:33:06,169 --> 01:33:04,050
lose no sleep about it the one thing I

2114
01:33:09,470 --> 01:33:06,179
still am a little puzzled at Nick and

2115
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:09,480
that is why would it be so secretive

2116
01:33:15,020 --> 01:33:11,840
that these people would be threatened

2117
01:33:17,090 --> 01:33:15,030
you know and why would they fear for

2118
01:33:20,629 --> 01:33:17,100
their lives over something that had to

2119
01:33:23,570 --> 01:33:20,639
do with an experimental post war not

2120
01:33:28,250 --> 01:33:23,580
during the war about post war huh like

2121
01:33:30,770 --> 01:33:28,260
balloon well yeah again you know you

2122
01:33:32,990 --> 01:33:30,780
can't not not the technology at all he

2123
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:33,000
was he just purely and simply came down

2124
01:33:36,890 --> 01:33:35,760
to the fear of what the work well not

2125
01:33:39,350 --> 01:33:36,900
just the world but the you know the

2126
01:33:41,070 --> 01:33:39,360
American people might say if it was

2127
01:33:43,170 --> 01:33:41,080
found at number one

2128
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:43,180
that people had been taken from like

2129
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:45,610
prisons and asylums and used against

2130
01:33:51,390 --> 01:33:48,010
their will in high altitude balloon

2131
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:51,400
flight and the other angle being that a

2132
01:33:57,330 --> 01:33:54,490
lot of the technology was based on the

2133
01:33:59,130 --> 01:33:57,340
Japanese balloon designs that they were

2134
01:34:00,450 --> 01:33:59,140
planning on building how they you know

2135
01:34:02,670 --> 01:34:00,460
had the atomic bombs dropped on

2136
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:02,680
Hiroshima and Nagasaki not happened and

2137
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:05,050
the war continued they were planning on

2138
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:08,290
building these massive sturdier balloons

2139
01:34:14,910 --> 01:34:13,090
and when the war ended the basically the

2140
01:34:16,290 --> 01:34:14,920
with the paperclip program and the

2141
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:16,300
Japanese equivalent you know the

2142
01:34:21,630 --> 01:34:18,490
scientists were told you either work for

2143
01:34:24,030 --> 01:34:21,640
us or you do 30 years in jail or life in

2144
01:34:25,380 --> 01:34:24,040
jail what's he gonna be you know it's

2145
01:34:27,300 --> 01:34:25,390
one of those local those sort of mafia

2146
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:27,310
officer offers you know the one you

2147
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:29,970
can't refuse

2148
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:33,730
and so that was that was basically the

2149
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:36,730
the reason as I was told one was the

2150
01:34:41,370 --> 01:34:39,610
sort of illegal angle of using people

2151
01:34:44,340 --> 01:34:41,380
against their will and number two of

2152
01:34:47,420 --> 01:34:44,350
doing deals with you know people we've

2153
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:47,430
been a war with a new bomb Pearl Harbor

2154
01:34:52,740 --> 01:34:50,410
now four people might think that's sort

2155
01:34:55,380 --> 01:34:52,750
of too extreme I mean I'm sure you've

2156
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:55,390
heard of Operation Paperclip which you

2157
01:34:59,220 --> 01:34:57,760
know to find massive amounts online now

2158
01:35:01,530 --> 01:34:59,230
even some of the original files where

2159
01:35:05,580 --> 01:35:01,540
you know German scientists have been

2160
01:35:09,480 --> 01:35:05,590
bombing Europe I mean creating rockets

2161
01:35:13,170 --> 01:35:09,490
bombing Europe in 1944-45 we're actually

2162
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:13,180
working out at White Sands in 47 in New

2163
01:35:17,670 --> 01:35:16,000
Mexico and you know even a lot of the

2164
01:35:20,220 --> 01:35:17,680
guys working on the program we're not

2165
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:20,230
happy with bringing these German and

2166
01:35:24,990 --> 01:35:23,530
Japanese scientists over but they kind

2167
01:35:27,690 --> 01:35:25,000
of viewed it as sort of having to do a

2168
01:35:29,580 --> 01:35:27,700
deal with a devil because if we didn't

2169
01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:29,590
grab them then sort of sure as hell that

2170
01:35:33,690 --> 01:35:31,510
the Russians would have and in a

2171
01:35:36,510 --> 01:35:33,700
worst-case scenario it could have

2172
01:35:38,940 --> 01:35:36,520
advanced their rocketry science to such

2173
01:35:40,410 --> 01:35:38,950
a degree but maybe you know in the early

2174
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:40,420
years they could have launched a sneak

2175
01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:43,930
attack you know on us you know and we

2176
01:35:48,770 --> 01:35:45,310
could be sort of living in a radioactive

2177
01:35:51,450 --> 01:35:48,780
desert now so in other words it was like

2178
01:35:53,190 --> 01:35:51,460
you know who do we what do we do do we

2179
01:35:54,589 --> 01:35:53,200
deal with people we really don't like

2180
01:36:01,970 --> 01:35:54,599
and

2181
01:36:05,870 --> 01:36:01,980
the deal look nobody wanted to make but

2182
01:36:08,149 --> 01:36:05,880
they couldn't afford not to do it so but

2183
01:36:10,489 --> 01:36:08,159
you know that that's war I mean war

2184
01:36:13,459 --> 01:36:10,499
isn't is very rarely like black and

2185
01:36:15,259 --> 01:36:13,469
white in the movies you know it's was a

2186
01:36:18,529 --> 01:36:15,269
dirty game and it's dangerous and

2187
01:36:20,089 --> 01:36:18,539
violent and terrible you know we just

2188
01:36:22,910 --> 01:36:20,099
get to see bits of it on the news or

2189
01:36:26,359 --> 01:36:22,920
whatever you don't see the real what war

2190
01:36:28,970 --> 01:36:26,369
is really like in right right decisions

2191
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:28,980
are made in different ways so but you

2192
01:36:34,250 --> 01:36:31,679
know again I think the biggest problem

2193
01:36:37,459 --> 01:36:34,260
of all and I like to set up you know if

2194
01:36:41,569 --> 01:36:37,469
nothing else I'm 100 percent honest when

2195
01:36:43,939 --> 01:36:41,579
I say that I cannot prove that the paper

2196
01:36:46,370 --> 01:36:43,949
I spoke to were telling the truth now a

2197
01:36:48,069 --> 01:36:46,380
lot of people who write books might not

2198
01:36:50,359 --> 01:36:48,079
say that and that might surprise some

2199
01:36:53,330 --> 01:36:50,369
listeners that I would say that but it's

2200
01:36:56,359 --> 01:36:53,340
you know I have to be brutally honest I

2201
01:36:59,479 --> 01:36:56,369
put the story out as I was told

2202
01:37:01,729 --> 01:36:59,489
and personally I think personally I do

2203
01:37:04,729 --> 01:37:01,739
think it is the answer but I can't prove

2204
01:37:07,580 --> 01:37:04,739
it like I I'm not sure it'll ever be

2205
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:07,590
provable if it did happen as I said the

2206
01:37:11,419 --> 01:37:08,730
only way I think

2207
01:37:12,979 --> 01:37:11,429
Roswell can be proved is the

2208
01:37:15,339 --> 01:37:12,989
extra-terrestrial way and that would be

2209
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:15,349
because all that material big would be

2210
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:19,010
stored away of course the big problem is

2211
01:37:25,970 --> 01:37:23,010
we do ever scenario is correct the big

2212
01:37:28,729 --> 01:37:25,980
problem is accessing the material the

2213
01:37:30,830 --> 01:37:28,739
documents and the photos now today of

2214
01:37:33,319 --> 01:37:30,840
course in today's world everything's

2215
01:37:35,989 --> 01:37:33,329
online which is why you know when

2216
01:37:37,939 --> 01:37:35,999
hacking occurs that it can be so

2217
01:37:41,660 --> 01:37:37,949
successful because everything is online

2218
01:37:44,689 --> 01:37:41,670
that's why people like Edward Snowden

2219
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:44,699
you know the rig the reason why he

2220
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:48,090
accessed and and left the NSA with so

2221
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:50,610
much material was because you know he

2222
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:54,210
was able to take it out all in you know

2223
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:56,610
digital form the problem is of course

2224
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:00,239
when we're looking at 1947 you know it

2225
01:38:04,860 --> 01:38:02,249
was paper and those strange old things

2226
01:38:08,660 --> 01:38:04,870
called typewriters

2227
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:08,670
and so in other words the original files

2228
01:38:12,930 --> 01:38:10,810
nobody you know if they let's just say

2229
01:38:15,149 --> 01:38:12,940
hypothetically whatever happened at

2230
01:38:17,610 --> 01:38:15,159
Roswell that all the paperwork is hidden

2231
01:38:20,399 --> 01:38:17,620
sort of 30 feet underground in a bunker

2232
01:38:23,729 --> 01:38:20,409
below a particular military base which

2233
01:38:26,340 --> 01:38:23,739
is guarded 24/7 by guards you know

2234
01:38:29,129 --> 01:38:26,350
vaulted doors there's no way you could

2235
01:38:30,660 --> 01:38:29,139
access that documentation number one

2236
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:30,670
because you just wouldn't get in you

2237
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:32,320
wouldn't even get you know barely across

2238
01:38:37,620 --> 01:38:36,010
the base fence but equally and more

2239
01:38:39,959 --> 01:38:37,630
importantly you would never be able to

2240
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:39,969
access the documents because everything

2241
01:38:45,899 --> 01:38:43,570
would be 1947 era and it would just be

2242
01:38:47,729 --> 01:38:45,909
paid you know be thousands of thousands

2243
01:38:50,340 --> 01:38:47,739
of pages of now sort of yellowed and

2244
01:38:53,220 --> 01:38:50,350
fading papers it wouldn't be anything

2245
01:38:55,919 --> 01:38:53,230
that somebody could hack into so again

2246
01:38:58,260 --> 01:38:55,929
you know the chances of us finding

2247
01:39:01,080 --> 01:38:58,270
something or getting the answers and

2248
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:01,090
less disclosure occurs which I'm not a

2249
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:04,090
big fan of disclosure but I think that's

2250
01:39:09,419 --> 01:39:06,130
the only way could possibly happen would

2251
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:09,429
be if either either disclosure occurs or

2252
01:39:14,729 --> 01:39:12,010
somebody releases something by mistake

2253
01:39:17,129 --> 01:39:14,739
any kind of opens the floodgates and

2254
01:39:19,050 --> 01:39:17,139
then you know it becomes unstoppable

2255
01:39:23,250 --> 01:39:19,060
then and when when it starts to say

2256
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:23,260
right right yes I I would probably go

2257
01:39:30,290 --> 01:39:26,170
along with something you said earlier

2258
01:39:34,620 --> 01:39:30,300
that you know Roswell will most likely

2259
01:39:35,879 --> 01:39:34,630
continue and become almost folklore you

2260
01:39:39,450 --> 01:39:35,889
know I've wondered about that quite a

2261
01:39:43,290 --> 01:39:39,460
bit because you know it's the further

2262
01:39:46,530 --> 01:39:43,300
you get away from you know an event you

2263
01:39:47,729 --> 01:39:46,540
know the more mystifies and with the so

2264
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:47,739
many you said they're 11 different

2265
01:39:54,450 --> 01:39:51,130
theories he and I believe it I've heard

2266
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:54,460
I don't I've heard a few yeah I don't

2267
01:39:59,340 --> 01:39:57,010
know you know the Air Force has well the

2268
01:40:00,570 --> 01:39:59,350
Air Force came up with actually for

2269
01:40:02,370 --> 01:40:00,580
explanations

2270
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:02,380
you know first they said it was a flying

2271
01:40:07,649 --> 01:40:04,810
disc then the day after it was a weather

2272
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:07,659
balloon then in 1994 they said well it

2273
01:40:11,550 --> 01:40:08,800
wasn't a weather balloon it was one of

2274
01:40:14,100 --> 01:40:11,560
these mogul balloons for looking to

2275
01:40:16,110 --> 01:40:14,110
monitor for early Soviet atomic

2276
01:40:17,790 --> 01:40:16,120
detonations and these balloons were

2277
01:40:19,140 --> 01:40:17,800
legitimately gigantic below

2278
01:40:22,050 --> 01:40:19,150
it would go high up into the atmosphere

2279
01:40:23,790 --> 01:40:22,060
and it's a monitor for explosions that

2280
01:40:28,500 --> 01:40:23,800
was the third explanation that came out

2281
01:40:30,210 --> 01:40:28,510
in 94 and in the 1994 report the Air

2282
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:30,220
Force correctly said that you know

2283
01:40:34,290 --> 01:40:32,530
Mulgrew blows didn't have crews sell the

2284
01:40:37,470 --> 01:40:34,300
stories read the bodies couldn't be true

2285
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,480
but then in 97 which was really weird

2286
01:40:40,830 --> 01:40:39,280
that they would even do this they said

2287
01:40:42,930 --> 01:40:40,840
well yes actually there were bodies

2288
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:42,940
afterward after all but they were

2289
01:40:47,430 --> 01:40:46,090
crash-test dummies and you know that's

2290
01:40:50,550 --> 01:40:47,440
one of the way of things is why they

2291
01:40:54,420 --> 01:40:50,560
even felt they had to address the bodies

2292
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:54,430
issue in 97 20 1994 they'd already said

2293
01:40:59,010 --> 01:40:57,010
the were nobodies a lot of people forget

2294
01:41:02,310 --> 01:40:59,020
that as to why you know wasn't like that

2295
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:02,320
somebody was pushing them to explain the

2296
01:41:06,180 --> 01:41:03,730
bodies you know they explained it to

2297
01:41:07,890 --> 01:41:06,190
them from their perspective in 94 by

2298
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:07,900
saying there weren't any bodies you know

2299
01:41:13,590 --> 01:41:10,570
it was very it was like a closed door

2300
01:41:14,970 --> 01:41:13,600
situation but and they did change their

2301
01:41:17,220 --> 01:41:14,980
mind now

2302
01:41:20,460 --> 01:41:17,230
you also have the theory of a guy named

2303
01:41:22,830 --> 01:41:20,470
Jim Keith who died back in the 1990s but

2304
01:41:26,810 --> 01:41:22,840
Jim Keith claims have spoken to a couple

2305
01:41:30,210 --> 01:41:26,820
of military people who claim that a

2306
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:30,220
atomic bomb being carried by one of the

2307
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:32,170
aircraft from Roswell which was the

2308
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:35,170
five-o ninth wing which bombed Hiroshima

2309
01:41:39,480 --> 01:41:37,210
that's where they're actually based at

2310
01:41:41,670 --> 01:41:39,490
Roswell and he claims have been told

2311
01:41:45,480 --> 01:41:41,680
that one of these bombs which

2312
01:41:47,070 --> 01:41:45,490
fortunately wasn't primed actually

2313
01:41:48,510 --> 01:41:47,080
crashed to the ground in an aircraft

2314
01:41:50,460 --> 01:41:48,520
there was a crash of the aircraft

2315
01:41:52,620 --> 01:41:50,470
carrying one of these bombs and they

2316
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:52,630
heed the the crash of an atomic bomb in

2317
01:41:57,300 --> 01:41:55,450
the desert under the cover of a UFO

2318
01:41:59,310 --> 01:41:57,310
crash which but I don't believe that

2319
01:42:01,920 --> 01:41:59,320
story I think that I think that would be

2320
01:42:04,260 --> 01:42:01,930
so huge that he would have come out then

2321
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:04,270
you've got the story you know time

2322
01:42:08,220 --> 01:42:06,370
travelers from the future which which I

2323
01:42:10,770 --> 01:42:08,230
don't believe either but it is a like a

2324
01:42:13,110 --> 01:42:10,780
really cool story the I the idea the

2325
01:42:16,110 --> 01:42:13,120
time travelers say for example in the

2326
01:42:18,810 --> 01:42:16,120
25th century people are still talking

2327
01:42:20,490 --> 01:42:18,820
about Roswell and finally in the 21st

2328
01:42:22,410 --> 01:42:20,500
century you know we've developed time

2329
01:42:24,060 --> 01:42:22,420
travel so somebody said well let's go

2330
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:24,070
back to Roswell and find out what

2331
01:42:29,190 --> 01:42:26,170
happened you know so they construct this

2332
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:29,200
craft this time-travel craft they get

2333
01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:31,570
the coordinates right the date right

2334
01:42:36,350 --> 01:42:34,150
and you know they reach Roswell in July

2335
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:36,360
47 and then their time-traveling machine

2336
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:38,800
malfunctions and crashes and they

2337
01:42:43,500 --> 01:42:41,170
actually become you know the source of

2338
01:42:45,330 --> 01:42:43,510
the half the Roswell crash so it's like

2339
01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:45,340
a cyclic or thing you know that goes on

2340
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:47,170
and on so it's kind of an interesting

2341
01:42:52,589 --> 01:42:50,010
theory but he kind of really

2342
01:42:55,830 --> 01:42:52,599
demonstrates the lot of a sort of flaws

2343
01:42:57,300 --> 01:42:55,840
and problems with time travel so but

2344
01:42:59,970 --> 01:42:57,310
that's just a handful of them you know

2345
01:43:02,100 --> 01:42:59,980
there's a bunch I think there was a

2346
01:43:04,919 --> 01:43:02,110
woman that wrote in a book something

2347
01:43:07,709 --> 01:43:04,929
that had to do with the Germans some

2348
01:43:10,290 --> 01:43:07,719
type of oh that was a woman named Annie

2349
01:43:12,620 --> 01:43:10,300
Jacobson and a few years ago she wrote a

2350
01:43:18,419 --> 01:43:12,630
book called area 51 and she claimed that

2351
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:18,429
an old time insider had given her the

2352
01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:21,520
story and it involved the Nazis doing

2353
01:43:29,310 --> 01:43:25,449
genetic experiments on dwarfs and and

2354
01:43:30,810 --> 01:43:29,320
using some sort of craft developed in

2355
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:30,820
conjunction between the Nazis and the

2356
01:43:37,020 --> 01:43:34,239
Russians and again you know this is sort

2357
01:43:39,510 --> 01:43:37,030
of a another example of a another layer

2358
01:43:41,790 --> 01:43:39,520
upon layer of what did happen or what

2359
01:43:44,430 --> 01:43:41,800
didn't happen I think the only thing we

2360
01:43:48,089 --> 01:43:44,440
can say for sure is that all a couple of

2361
01:43:50,370 --> 01:43:48,099
things one is that obviously only one of

2362
01:43:52,410 --> 01:43:50,380
the theories can be current you know

2363
01:43:54,030 --> 01:43:52,420
there's no if you die the base or it's

2364
01:43:56,669 --> 01:43:54,040
that or something else it can only be

2365
01:43:58,350 --> 01:43:56,679
one thing though and I think the other

2366
01:44:01,680 --> 01:43:58,360
thing we can say with a fair degree of

2367
01:44:05,069 --> 01:44:01,690
certainty is that all the rest of the

2368
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:05,079
stories are either the best attempts of

2369
01:44:08,970 --> 01:44:06,639
the government to try and solve it or

2370
01:44:10,890 --> 01:44:08,980
they're disinformation put it put out by

2371
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:10,900
clandestine groups that we don't even

2372
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:16,500
other than that you know it's sort of

2373
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:20,560
everything still wide open I think but I

2374
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:23,290
think I think the problem is we need to

2375
01:44:27,899 --> 01:44:25,449
find an alternative way to try and get

2376
01:44:31,530 --> 01:44:27,909
the answers I mean freedom information

2377
01:44:33,180 --> 01:44:31,540
hasn't solved Roswell even the General

2378
01:44:35,339 --> 01:44:33,190
Accounting Office couldn't get to the

2379
01:44:37,260 --> 01:44:35,349
bottom of it the Air Force went looking

2380
01:44:38,879 --> 01:44:37,270
for files and actually admitted well we

2381
01:44:40,979 --> 01:44:38,889
weren't looking but the files are gone

2382
01:44:42,750 --> 01:44:40,989
that's one of the reasons why I don't

2383
01:44:44,819 --> 01:44:42,760
think the Air Force was lying because if

2384
01:44:46,139 --> 01:44:44,829
they were lying about finding nothing

2385
01:44:48,209 --> 01:44:46,149
and

2386
01:44:50,699 --> 01:44:48,219
Sani was a mogul balloon I don't think

2387
01:44:52,350 --> 01:44:50,709
they would have admitted that all the

2388
01:44:55,589 --> 01:44:52,360
files were gone you know they would have

2389
01:44:57,810 --> 01:44:55,599
come up with something less sort of ITER

2390
01:44:59,909 --> 01:44:57,820
I catching or head-turning I mean that

2391
01:45:01,560 --> 01:44:59,919
really did turn heads when the air for

2392
01:45:03,899 --> 01:45:01,570
either within the mainstream media when

2393
01:45:05,790 --> 01:45:03,909
the air for said well we've gone looking

2394
01:45:08,399 --> 01:45:05,800
and all the files are missing from

2395
01:45:09,929 --> 01:45:08,409
Roswell you know I think if the Air

2396
01:45:12,169 --> 01:45:09,939
Force was lying they wouldn't have said

2397
01:45:15,540 --> 01:45:12,179
that some Maris and kept that certain oh

2398
01:45:17,250 --> 01:45:15,550
yeah so I think the Air Force I don't

2399
01:45:19,290 --> 01:45:17,260
view the Air Force as the bad guys in

2400
01:45:20,639 --> 01:45:19,300
Roswell at all I think today's whatever

2401
01:45:23,429 --> 01:45:20,649
happened at Roswell

2402
01:45:26,069 --> 01:45:23,439
I think today's Air Force is out of the

2403
01:45:28,709 --> 01:45:26,079
loop and I think whoever is sitting on

2404
01:45:31,319 --> 01:45:28,719
it is so incredibly powerful and deeply

2405
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:31,329
hidden that they're answerable to no one

2406
01:45:35,609 --> 01:45:33,489
and that includes these these are known

2407
01:45:38,429 --> 01:45:35,619
as what is known as special access

2408
01:45:39,299 --> 01:45:38,439
programs or si peas where it doesn't

2409
01:45:41,909 --> 01:45:39,309
matter if you have a top-secret

2410
01:45:44,399 --> 01:45:41,919
clearance if you're not cleared on this

2411
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:44,409
specific program you don't get in

2412
01:45:49,379 --> 01:45:46,719
regardless of your top-secret clearance

2413
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:49,389
so I think it's something like that

2414
01:45:54,179 --> 01:45:51,489
that's hiding the truth of Roswell but

2415
01:45:56,279 --> 01:45:54,189
you know I have to admit and it doesn't

2416
01:45:59,159 --> 01:45:56,289
again he doesn't help anybody's case but

2417
01:46:02,369 --> 01:45:59,169
I just don't see how we go further that

2418
01:46:05,969 --> 01:46:02,379
we've gone now you know we really are at

2419
01:46:08,669 --> 01:46:05,979
that kind of brick wall position where

2420
01:46:11,159 --> 01:46:08,679
just read everybody's dead and also just

2421
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:11,169
a few days ago one of the last surviving

2422
01:46:15,929 --> 01:46:14,050
witnesses to the wreckage and the you

2423
01:46:18,089 --> 01:46:15,939
know the threats a woman named Frank

2424
01:46:22,049 --> 01:46:18,099
Iero she just died about a week or so

2425
01:46:24,029 --> 01:46:22,059
ago and so that's another one gone so

2426
01:46:27,929 --> 01:46:24,039
you know that there really is hardly

2427
01:46:29,549 --> 01:46:27,939
anybody left now and you know it's I

2428
01:46:33,299 --> 01:46:29,559
just don't know what that alternative

2429
01:46:34,469 --> 01:46:33,309
way to get the answers yes a v3z you

2430
01:46:36,359 --> 01:46:34,479
know well you know I thought I was gonna

2431
01:46:40,979 --> 01:46:36,369
punch a bunch of holes in your theory

2432
01:46:44,459 --> 01:46:40,989
but it had to do mostly because I I had

2433
01:46:46,500 --> 01:46:44,469
for some reason assumed that you were

2434
01:46:48,029 --> 01:46:46,510
claiming this thing came from Japan and

2435
01:46:54,299 --> 01:46:48,039
that's where I was you know gonna argue

2436
01:46:57,569 --> 01:46:54,309
with you but oh I get it yeah but yeah

2437
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:57,579
but I mean again I mean whether it's

2438
01:47:01,790 --> 01:46:59,280
true or not it was the way it was

2439
01:47:03,620 --> 01:47:01,800
you know it was very intricate and

2440
01:47:05,359 --> 01:47:03,630
detailed and all the people you know

2441
01:47:08,660 --> 01:47:05,369
came across as genuine I mean there was

2442
01:47:10,279 --> 01:47:08,670
one other than so painful everybody else

2443
01:47:11,540 --> 01:47:10,289
everybody in the book is named under

2444
01:47:13,609 --> 01:47:11,550
their real names who I interviewed

2445
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:13,619
because obviously you know the publisher

2446
01:47:17,810 --> 01:47:15,119
insists on that kind of stuff there was

2447
01:47:19,700 --> 01:47:17,820
one elderly lady who preferred to go

2448
01:47:22,490 --> 01:47:19,710
under a pseudonym but I had to provide

2449
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:22,500
obviously again for her or her contact

2450
01:47:27,799 --> 01:47:26,130
info for the publisher but I mean when I

2451
01:47:30,140 --> 01:47:27,809
met her this was actually a Denny's

2452
01:47:32,419 --> 01:47:30,150
restaurant in the summer of 2001 and she

2453
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:32,429
was 79 and she died a couple of years

2454
01:47:37,339 --> 01:47:35,130
ago but when I spoke to her about this

2455
01:47:40,490 --> 01:47:37,349
this angle and she told me what she knew

2456
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:40,500
of it I mean she was literally bear in

2457
01:47:45,919 --> 01:47:42,570
mind this was 91 and she was talking

2458
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:45,929
about events in 47 here decades ago she

2459
01:47:50,209 --> 01:47:48,090
was literally kind of shaking you know

2460
01:47:52,669 --> 01:47:50,219
and her lips were kind of wobbling not

2461
01:47:54,919 --> 01:47:52,679
through the emotion you know tears or

2462
01:47:57,439 --> 01:47:54,929
anything like that just just cold fear

2463
01:47:59,779 --> 01:47:57,449
of what's the government going to do

2464
01:48:02,149 --> 01:47:59,789
should is he should I actually say

2465
01:48:04,399 --> 01:48:02,159
anything to you what's going to happen

2466
01:48:06,379 --> 01:48:04,409
if you write the book I mean her concern

2467
01:48:09,830 --> 01:48:06,389
was not what are you gonna pay me you

2468
01:48:12,049 --> 01:48:09,840
know having you know what was what shows

2469
01:48:14,569 --> 01:48:12,059
am I gonna be on talking about this she

2470
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:14,579
was like you know somebody who's

2471
01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:17,250
backtracking wondering should I have

2472
01:48:21,470 --> 01:48:19,440
actually even got into this and she did

2473
01:48:25,700 --> 01:48:21,480
not come across like you know a

2474
01:48:27,740 --> 01:48:25,710
carefully planted actor or anything like

2475
01:48:29,149 --> 01:48:27,750
that now could she have been well she

2476
01:48:31,010 --> 01:48:29,159
could have been but if she was you know

2477
01:48:34,450 --> 01:48:31,020
she was she would have deserved it

2478
01:48:36,979 --> 01:48:34,460
access she was she was like petrified of

2479
01:48:40,370 --> 01:48:36,989
had she got into the right thing of

2480
01:48:42,529 --> 01:48:40,380
actually saying anything and you know I

2481
01:48:44,419 --> 01:48:42,539
was kind of like well you know you

2482
01:48:46,459 --> 01:48:44,429
opened the floodgate or not me

2483
01:48:51,260 --> 01:48:46,469
well now the last question I have for

2484
01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:51,270
you here before we wrap this up is you

2485
01:48:54,919 --> 01:48:52,770
have been on a lot of shows talking

2486
01:49:00,319 --> 01:48:54,929
about your theory and I know you talked

2487
01:49:03,020 --> 01:49:00,329
about it out at the Roswell the festival

2488
01:49:08,290 --> 01:49:03,030
if that'll actual best fighter Rosa Lee

2489
01:49:11,839 --> 01:49:08,300
oh the question I had since anyone had

2490
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:11,849
like a rebuttal to you that made you go

2491
01:49:14,370 --> 01:49:12,489
huh

2492
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:14,380
while I didn't think of that hasn't any

2493
01:49:22,830 --> 01:49:20,800
of that pop up um I wouldn't say it was

2494
01:49:26,069 --> 01:49:22,840
anything specific but I mean what I

2495
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:26,079
would say is that even higher I have to

2496
01:49:30,959 --> 01:49:29,110
admit things like the memory metal you

2497
01:49:33,470 --> 01:49:30,969
know if you know we mentioned this was

2498
01:49:35,370 --> 01:49:33,480
but I mean it is an important issue if

2499
01:49:37,290 --> 01:49:35,380
everybody who talked about all the the

2500
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:37,300
number of people who talks about the

2501
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:39,010
memory metal but have these really

2502
01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:43,090
almost beyond incredible properties then

2503
01:49:48,720 --> 01:49:46,260
that is really hard to explain in any

2504
01:49:51,390 --> 01:49:48,730
angle other than the extra-terrestrial

2505
01:49:53,759 --> 01:49:51,400
angle now as I said they the military

2506
01:49:55,979 --> 01:49:53,769
did switch certain balloon types in

2507
01:49:57,930 --> 01:49:55,989
terms of the construction not long

2508
01:50:01,470 --> 01:49:57,940
before Roswell so you know people would

2509
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:01,480
be seeing balloon debris materials that

2510
01:50:05,790 --> 01:50:03,280
were significantly different to what

2511
01:50:09,299 --> 01:50:05,800
they'd seen in 46 now whether that could

2512
01:50:11,549 --> 01:50:09,309
explain I don't know but I would say

2513
01:50:13,229 --> 01:50:11,559
that's more than anything else that's

2514
01:50:14,060 --> 01:50:13,239
when people us you know like for a

2515
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:14,070
rebuttal

2516
01:50:19,620 --> 01:50:16,480
the main issue that I would have to

2517
01:50:23,279 --> 01:50:19,630
focus on would be the memory metal more

2518
01:50:27,629 --> 01:50:23,289
than anything else so you know but again

2519
01:50:29,700 --> 01:50:27,639
you know I think it's important that we

2520
01:50:32,509 --> 01:50:29,710
all kind of remain open mind you know I

2521
01:50:36,750 --> 01:50:32,519
think the problem with Roswell it's been

2522
01:50:39,779 --> 01:50:36,760
sort of elevated to the number one UFO

2523
01:50:42,390 --> 01:50:39,789
case on the planet of all time you know

2524
01:50:44,339 --> 01:50:42,400
and it's kind of like the old phrase I

2525
01:50:44,669 --> 01:50:44,349
mean the bigger they are the harder they

2526
01:50:48,569 --> 01:50:44,679
fall

2527
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:48,579
and I think what's happened is that so

2528
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:50,800
many people now have got placed all

2529
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:53,440
their hopes in Roswell as the one case

2530
01:50:58,739 --> 01:50:56,320
that can solve it but then just simply

2531
01:51:01,080 --> 01:50:58,749
not open to anything else because it's

2532
01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:01,090
almost like the fear factor of I really

2533
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:02,320
don't want to know if it's something

2534
01:51:06,930 --> 01:51:05,440
other than extraterrestrial now you know

2535
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:06,940
they're a player you know out of all our

2536
01:51:10,799 --> 01:51:09,489
believer in the existence of UFOs you

2537
01:51:13,020 --> 01:51:10,809
know I got interesting because my dad

2538
01:51:15,330 --> 01:51:13,030
was in the Royal Air Force in BOK worked

2539
01:51:17,970 --> 01:51:15,340
on radar I was involved in a couple of

2540
01:51:20,279 --> 01:51:17,980
UFO cases so a full-on believer I'm just

2541
01:51:24,060 --> 01:51:20,289
not sure aliens crashed at Roswell

2542
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:24,070
but because Roswell has been elevated to

2543
01:51:27,610 --> 01:51:25,520
such a level

2544
01:51:28,990 --> 01:51:27,620
through no fault of their own Tralee

2545
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:29,000
just the way it happened

2546
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:31,520
isn't because he has been placed to such

2547
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:34,130
a you know high Paik the people just

2548
01:51:39,850 --> 01:51:37,489
can't envisage handling the idea that

2549
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:39,860
Roswell wasn't actually terrestrial so I

2550
01:51:46,180 --> 01:51:42,890
think that's why my theory hasn't been

2551
01:51:49,330 --> 01:51:46,190
sort of chased down by pretty much

2552
01:51:51,010 --> 01:51:49,340
hardly anybody but me because I think

2553
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:51,020
there's I think there is honestly is

2554
01:51:55,810 --> 01:51:53,930
this degree of fear again it's people

2555
01:51:58,209 --> 01:51:55,820
are fearful of what they might find I

2556
01:52:02,590 --> 01:51:58,219
think that that is but one of the things

2557
01:52:04,510 --> 01:52:02,600
that sort of you know I think he's wise

2558
01:52:06,010 --> 01:52:04,520
most people have left it alone it's kind

2559
01:52:09,070 --> 01:52:06,020
of you know it's almost like the guy who

2560
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:09,080
you know keeps getting pains or whatever

2561
01:52:12,340 --> 01:52:10,730
and doesn't never goes to the doctor and

2562
01:52:14,229 --> 01:52:12,350
then by the time he goes he's too late

2563
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:14,239
he doesn't want to know that kind of

2564
01:52:19,810 --> 01:52:16,850
thing and I think that sort of applies a

2565
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:19,820
little bit to Roswell but it's it's the

2566
01:52:24,760 --> 01:52:22,610
case it's it's untouchable you know well

2567
01:52:28,740 --> 01:52:24,770
I'd like to say that I have an open mind

2568
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:28,750
about what's going on this this is

2569
01:52:32,440 --> 01:52:31,010
certainly very interesting it's a lot

2570
01:52:36,190 --> 01:52:32,450
more interesting than I thought it was

2571
01:52:38,440 --> 01:52:36,200
going to be after speaking with you now

2572
01:52:39,700 --> 01:52:38,450
do you have any other projects that you

2573
01:52:43,150 --> 01:52:39,710
can talk about that you're in the middle

2574
01:52:45,010 --> 01:52:43,160
of or is that something yeah go ahead no

2575
01:52:46,660 --> 01:52:45,020
no that's totally fine

2576
01:52:48,190 --> 01:52:46,670
I've actually got a book you know we

2577
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:48,200
mentioned the dog man earlier I've got

2578
01:52:52,630 --> 01:52:50,570
book coming out in September so not far

2579
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:52,640
away popped up this will probably start

2580
01:52:57,400 --> 01:52:55,520
service in about a few weeks called

2581
01:52:59,740 --> 01:52:57,410
shapeshifters which is a study of the

2582
01:53:03,580 --> 01:52:59,750
whole shapeshifter phenomenon throughout

2583
01:53:05,500 --> 01:53:03,590
history mythology folklore legend going

2584
01:53:09,459 --> 01:53:05,510
back thousands of years to the present

2585
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:09,469
day looking at you know the whole issue

2586
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,080
of shape-shifting in general and then in

2587
01:53:16,540 --> 01:53:14,480
February excuse me January so we're just

2588
01:53:18,900 --> 01:53:16,550
talking just shortly after Christmas

2589
01:53:22,030 --> 01:53:18,910
I've got a full-length book on the whole

2590
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:22,040
controversy surrounding the Slender Man

2591
01:53:26,440 --> 01:53:24,370
phenomenon I'm sure a lot of you

2592
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:26,450
listeners have heard of the Slender Man

2593
01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:28,489
this sort of creepy character that

2594
01:53:34,030 --> 01:53:31,730
surfaced on the internet in 2009 but

2595
01:53:35,860 --> 01:53:34,040
which now people see in the real world

2596
01:53:39,700 --> 01:53:35,870
so the theory is it's what's known as a

2597
01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:39,710
thought form or a Tulpa the idea being

2598
01:53:45,130 --> 01:53:42,890
people focus on something in their mind

2599
01:53:47,470 --> 01:53:45,140
they can kind of bring it to life in a

2600
01:53:50,530 --> 01:53:47,480
strange way so you know it's like a

2601
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:50,540
fictional entity becomes fact because

2602
01:53:55,690 --> 01:53:53,210
enough people believe in it so I've

2603
01:53:56,890 --> 01:53:55,700
heard is that that was like the man

2604
01:53:58,720 --> 01:53:56,900
mysteries and that'll be out you know

2605
01:54:02,770 --> 01:53:58,730
it's very interesting I have to have you

2606
01:54:04,810 --> 01:54:02,780
back on yeah okay thanks so much Nick as

2607
01:54:07,900 --> 01:54:04,820
always it's but it's been a lot of fun

2608
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:07,910
all right well thanks a lot Martin

2609
01:54:13,110 --> 01:54:09,170
thanks I'm gonna get that

2610
01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:13,120
take care now all right you okay let it

2611
01:54:21,010 --> 01:54:16,490
well everyone thanks so much for hanging

2612
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in and watching online and also this

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2626
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2627
01:55:08,220 --> 01:55:06,950
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2628
01:55:10,690 --> 01:55:08,230
is going to be talking about

2629
01:55:13,450 --> 01:55:10,700
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2630
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:13,460
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2631
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:16,010
in California so he'll be back next week

2632
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:17,930
I'm not really sure if I'm going to be

2633
01:55:21,790 --> 01:55:20,210
able to do every single Monday but if

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you want to find out what's going on

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podcast you fo show which is on

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Wednesday nights that's 8 to 10 p.m.

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Eastern Standard Time alright so thanks

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so much and we will be back next Monday

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and we are going to be talking about

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Lake Monsters eventually a couple weeks

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away one gentleman has done a really

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nice book on all the different Lake

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Monsters throughout the world